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I am sure you've all been reading the news for the last few months and seen the ongoing row in Birmingham over lessons to teach children about LGBT/same sex marriage.

I have been pretty torn on this, I can understand the frustration of parents slightly saying is it age appropriate, but then the argument is lost elsewhere. These protests are led mainly by muslims, who protest directly outside the school. Some responses have been pretty poor, like "We don't want our child being turned gay" and "Our children shouldn't be taught about something our religion doesn't believe in".

This has been a pretty ongoing thing for months now. I'm pretty disappointed by the response of these protests. Outside the school? Jeez. Plus, we are in the UK, where we are becoming one of, if not the most inclusive countries in the world.

Should these lessons be in school? Would you happily see your child involved? Do the protesters have a point?   

Not at that age, way to young to be confusing kids with this sort of stuff.....

Although it probably gave the PC BBC a dilemma about which way to report this story with 2 minority groups pitching against each other  :D

I'd rather my children learned this kind of stuff rather than about a burd that got pregnant without having sex and the baby grew up, got crucified and came back to life after the weekend.

It's only "age inappropriate" if you feel there's something wrong with same sex marriage that children need to be protected against.

No one is teaching the kids the mechanics of sex, straight, gay or otherwise. It's about respect, acceptance and inclusion.

Bigots gonna bigot.

My kids don't give a shit.   There are all kinds of different parental relationships these days rather than one mummy and one daddy.  They get confused by all sorts when they grow up, so I am not sure why learning some kids have two mummies is going to put them into meltdown.   My 7 year old explained where babies come from earlier in the week, and I can assure everyone that the number of mummies and daddies isn't the big issue in her understanding.   And what it is about homosexuality that is so attractive that means seeing one book in a hundred where there are two mummies present is going to turn them?  

They say the teaching is age appropriate, and I have seen absolutely nothing to suggest it isn't.   I'd rather take the word of educators than some agitator outside school, who isn't a parent, and has likely never even read the material.

As parents, we always get asked if anything could be viewed as a bit risky or scary etc.  It never really is, and they get exposed to worse outside school.   You just try controlling youtube content for an 11 year old.  Good luck with that.  

It seems pretty clear to me that the protests are going to be far more traumatising for kids than anything they read in a book.  The people who are supporting the protestors need to have a long hard look at themselves.  Ironic this stuff is teaching them to be more tolerant of all minorities.  

In primary schools, it is called "relationships education", sex education starts at secondary school.

Relationships education includes:-

- the role of the family
- caring friendships
- respectful relationships
- online relationships
- being safe

At times throughout this, they mention that a family could include LGBT parents - ditto for a respectful relationship.

I have no time for anyone protesting this.

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Sounds sensible.   Not sure why anyone would think otherwise.

This is the main problem - they are literally protesting about these lessons just mentioning that gay people exist.


It really isn't that confusing - if you tell a child that 2 men can get married and 2 women can get married and a man and women can get married - they will just accept that this is a fact. It's only when you get older that you start projecting personal, cultural and societal prejudices and issues onto it.



As an example of how - not confusing - it is, my primary school started sex education in year 6; covering sex, puberty and masturbation.

It may have raised giggles - but it's all perfectly straightforward to incorporate at that age.

I think all these issues should be taught in schools before they become relevant to pupils lives - primary school seems the perfect place.

We're so inclusive we can't even call out these protests for what they are. Vanwinks should have something to say about this

What exactly is it that they're teaching? I don't remember being taught about same sex relationships outside of the biology of it, and I think if we're going to judge what is and isn't appropriate we need to know the content of the lessons.

I think that was covered quite well from


IIRC there was a story involving 2 male penguins raising a baby together involved somewhere.

Wow. Amazing. What do you think they’re teaching? What on earth couldn’t be “appropriate”?!

How do you know these protests are mainly MUSLIM
Racistttt

Autumn - chat up lines
Winter - kissing (french v english)
Spring - sexual positions
Summer - Gay, lesbians, trans - 10 easy steps to be less binary

Exams to follow - written, practical & oral

Just another thread where if you don't agree wholeheartedly with the OP and others, you will be called a bigot, a racist or some other ist.

I still find it incredible kids aren't taught how to complete tax returns, apply for a passport or visa/esta, change a plug, etc, yet this stuff is taught forced upon them before I feel it should.

Twats are gonna twat.......

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I’ve already said I kinda get it & kinda don’t.

But of course, you clearly don’t want to admit you’re against, by the time of your post. It wouldn’t surprise me, considering the hateful rhetoric that Brexit voters carry.

Never needed to fill in a tax return.
I’ve sucesfully applied for a passport without having been taught how.
Never needed to change a plug.

I can hardly see why normalising acceptance and tolerance within children at an early age is a bad thing.

Never been asked to use Pi, since I left school, or set fire to iron filings either.

Some are more likely to be used.

I guess you are a woman if you have never changed a plug then.........

It's so predictable it's laughable..

I would go so far to suggest your posts indicate you are way more hateful than me with your incessant name calling.

Seems incredibly ironic to do so, all the time.

Why would that make me a woman?

If I did need to change a plug I’d probably just get the wife to do it as she is better at DIY stuff like that than I am.

Not that this has come up. Do plugs break or something?

Are you sure you're not a satirical account?

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At what age do you feel it would be appropriate?

Hey Adz.

I am not sure where you get this name calling thing from, a bit like that £350m Boris lie, I suppose. I haven't called you names. It's actually the other way round, it was you who started calling me an idiot and so on in the politics thread, but yet it was you who called tighty out for leaving the forum.

Haha, love this

I’m sure mummy and daddy will re-enforce all the positive messages when the kids get home after school as well

Hopefully I can restrain myself from ever speaking to you again, as you are just not worth wasting energy on.

Have you read or digested what you just put?

You dont name call? Are you joking?

You call Breixiteers hateful, every single time you say the word. Is that not name calling?!

What has name calling got to do with Boris and £350 million? Its just a pathetic link in the LGBT thread, and a desperate pull to try and link the two. It doesn't matter anyway, I have always said I never took any notice of it anyway, so its completely irrelevant.

I also HAVEN'T said I don't call you names, you are an idiot. I just said I am nowhere near as hateful as you. All your posts have a little bit of vittirol and poison directed at someone, and its really not nice. This is highlighted again, but once again bringing to the fore my faux pas, regards Tighty(which he acknowledged my prompt apology-which you then said I never made-I mean WTF are you?).

I make many posts on here to stoke up a little bit of action and generate posts. Many people(that have any common sense)recognise this, but to keep raising that issue is only disturbing to Tighty. It really doesn't garner your aims any support whatsoever.

You are a nastly little person.

I think the confusion arguement is fine.

A parent knows their child best and could make a good argument that their child is not ready to hear about these subjects, would find them upsetting and confusing. The parent might want to introduce them to the child themselves and in a different way.

The government only provides guidance to the school - the headteacher and individual teachers decide which resources they are going to use to teach the detail. That means "the role of the family" might be a penguin story in one school and a series of pictures in another school.

They have the legitimate option to pull them out of lessons.

When they are pulling them out of lessons because they fundamentally believe that LBGTQ people are wrong then I disagree. It's an issue with the religion and an extreme subset. As is usual when seeing this stuff on the news, there are far more followers of Islam that are perfectly happy with these lessons than the ones with megaphones harassing teachers.

What on earth about sex and relationship education might be inappropriate to teach at a primary school? Hmm, let me think about that one, you know I can't come up with a single thing! Let's get all the pictures and the horror stories out!

As far as I can see they are introducing children to the idea that not all families are made up of a Mummy and Daddy. Two Mums, two Dads, or just one Mum or Dad are equally valid.
They aren’t teaching children that when two mummys decide to have a baby they go to the shop for a turkey baster and start interviewing potential donors.

I love this.

Calling me a nasty person, but yet it’s clear that you’re against these lessons, you’re the one who name calls, throws accusations at Tighty, you’re the Brexit voter & yet I’m the nasty person.

Ok Adz 😂

You have just labelled 17million people nasty.

Very grown up and considered.

You seem to feel that bringing up a mistake and keep referring to it to try and further your cause grown up too. Its nasty, childish and desperate. End of.

I wonder if anyone else feels the same?

Adz, you came into this thread for an argument, not to make any sort of valid point. Perhaps you should take some of your own advice, and not reply to any of my comments.

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