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48 players signed up to the first ever event and in doing so killed any chance they will have in the game outside of the LIV tour, they will not be able to compete on any of the establish tours or there feeder tours.
But now some bigger names better golfers are wanting in and certain players from the original list will be kicked to touch so get a one off payment for the event they played. Now there career is over. WOW that
was some move by some of the younger guys that will never get the chance to play on any tour again. Because without the PGA /EURO tours they aint going to get a name big enough to be invite back to the LIV tour
i can't imagine that many of the names that played in the first round got huge amounts of money yeah the biggest names got more than enough to set for life but i don't think it will be that many

It's not a world-wide ban for those players who ignored the PGA tour's ruling, just their own tour.

LIV has some kind of agreement giving all of them access to the Far-Eastern tour and most other tours are yet to commit afaik.

The European Tour is expected to make its position clear after this week's BMW event.

 ;popcorn;

 ;popcorn;

why is this golf tour when people have decided to draw the line morally? What about the Grand Prix, heavyweight title bouts, lots of other events in other morally questionable countries.

Why do the golfers get it in the neck but Anthony Joshua is fine?

yeah i think the European Tour will fall in with the US would be a weird rider cup if the Euro players on LIV were able to compete and the US unable

I don't really follow boxing, but pretty sure people have voiced disapproval of many sporting events in Saudi Arabia before.  Both because of human rights, and the war in Yemen. 

The Grand Prix there has been controversial from the start.  Vettel and Hamilton have voiced their unease about racing there publicly.   

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/saudi-minister-invites-hamilton-to-discuss-concerns/9509380/ (https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/saudi-minister-invites-hamilton-to-discuss-concerns/9509380/)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2022/apr/05/f1-drivers-will-continue-to-speak-out-says-drivers-association-chair (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2022/apr/05/f1-drivers-will-continue-to-speak-out-says-drivers-association-chair)

Newcastle have been condemned pretty heavily for the Saudi money and so on. 

I think there is a difference between going there for one race and bankrolling your football team for the year/ running a whole golf tour with Saudi money.   Also it easier to give Hamilton some benefit of the doubt when he has been critical from the start and clearly didn't get input into the decision to race there.  The golfers have taken the decision to earn most of their money there knowing who was bankrolling it.

It is also easier to be critical of the golfers given so many of them were pretty dislikeable in the first place!

All the big names must surely have been set for life already so didn't need the extra millions?  The PGA tour money was already pretty eye watering even without this.

Happy to be not making any effort to watch any of it, and hope it all fails miserably.

yeah I am not sure I would criticise F1 drivers, if they skip the event, they get 0 points. They had no choice.

Golfers can get in the bin though.

It is also a bit much with the golf European Tour taking the moral high ground when they have held several events in Saudi before.

Sponsoring a boxing match, a Grand Prix, or buying a football team there is at least a reasonable pretence of getting a return on investment.

This however has no earthly chance of getting any ROI.

It's a disruptive - possibly vindictive - high-rolling excercise to mess with golf's status quo and demonstrate that everyone has their price.

DP World Tour fines and bans players who took part at Centurion




The DP World Tour, formerly known as the European Tour, has also warned players that "participation in a further conflicting tournament or tournaments without the required release may incur further sanctions".

Lee Westwood, Ian Poulter, Sergio Garcia, Martin Kaymer and Graeme McDowell are the highest-profile DP World players who will be affected by these sanctions.




https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/61921146

I am wondering how the existing world tour can fine these players. Presumably it can send an invoice, but the players have no obligation to pay? And if they are banned from all future events the money can't be docked from future earnings?

Maybe via the PGA tour's pension-scheme.

Patrick Reed allegedly threatening to sue the European Tour for not being allowed to play in the upcoming Scottish Open... ;popcorn;

  Didn't realise there were quite so many golfers that I previously found dislikeable.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/03/former-ryder-cup-player-paul-casey-joins-saudi-backed-liv-golf (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/03/former-ryder-cup-player-paul-casey-joins-saudi-backed-liv-golf)

Another one past his best too?   

In answer to my original question looks like the Euro golfers who played in the first event are back on the DP tour with a 6 figure payday added https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/other-sports/rebel-golfers-liv-golf-axed-27562945?fbclid=IwAR3dZNZAtXeobMyCECscyWAzTfHNCXJ-l57hKZAip0q-CDxsdKUd80fNkLY

I have a question regarding the LIV tour.

If its capped at 48 players, and they are still recruiting players, then they have more than 48.  What happens to those who are not chosen to play in the next LIV event?
Are they just discarded and then left to fend in the wilderness of not being able to play on the main tours?  I'm thinking of these young up and coming players who made up the numbers in the first coupe of LIV events.

I did think about this when they first started.  I think this is where we are, and I don't think many who are discarded will suffer for now.

A lot of those you never heard of came from the Asian tour and that route is still open to them.  They also talked about having a feeder tour, which may well be the Asian tour. 

I think the number of young up and coming players ftom the European and USA tours must be pretty small, though haven't checked.  Just seems like it is mostly players whose best years are behind them.  If they get to the stage where they discard the older journeyman pros, who joined from the PGA and European tours they willl have already had their one last big payday, so won't suffer much? 

Here come the lawsuits...



Phil Mickelson and Ian Poulter among LIV golfers to bring lawsuit against PGA Tour



https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/62412590

I would hazard a guess that the Saudis are bankrolling the suit. These guys mostly resigned, they knew that the PGA had rules which they agreed to, for in some cases decades, and didn't object and it's debateable that LIV is in effect "dumping", as its enterprise is massively unprofitable.

How corrupting money is.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/other-sports/rebel-golfers-liv-golf-axed-27562945?fbclid=IwAR3dZNZAtXeobMyCECscyWAzTfHNCXJ-l57hKZAip0q-CDxsdKUd80fNkLY

@CameronPercy on Twitter: Are people aware LIV are paying $120000 a tournament to guys who are on a contract but don’t play? 82 contracted players. 48 play. That’s a lot of $$ to do nothing.

Judge rules against LIV golfers who want to have their cake and eat it.

apparently during the hearing it was leaked that the LIV players have tournament winnings deducted from their contract amount. So they are all playing for nothing.

That's bizarre.

So when they say each LIV Tournament is worth $25 million or whatever, in fact they don't pay any of that out at all?

suppose on how much your contract is worth! if you was an also ran given £1 million to join or what ever the min contracts are worth  and you win one of these events i am guessing you would get a decent payout

I watched an interview yesterday on Twitter where that was denied.

There seem to be conflicting reports.

It might well depend on the size of the retainer.

I see LIV-man Richard Bland is playing the European tour event in N.Ireland this week.

I can't quite figure that one out..

Aren't many bands/artists on contracts like this?  They get a big advance then a whole bunch of deductions before they ever get paid again?  Given these contracts are so big, it doesn't seem impossible to me.

Guess if you win one or two of these, you are going to burn through the minimum quite quickly, so many will get paid when they win, but it might not be the full amount of the prize money?

Richard Bland is the defending champion this week in NI and as such has a two-year exemption.

Don't know who this Easmon Lynch is but he aint holding back on Garcia

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/09/11/eamon-lynch-sergio-garcia-bmw-pga-championship-withdraw/

Ooooorrrff.

Oh my. Not a Garcia fan, one assumes.

don't think they exchange Christmas cards

Quite right

I just assumed being an arsehole was one of their joining criteria.   I haven't done a full statistical analysis, but there isn't any doubt that there is a strong correlation between this and participation in the Liv tour.   

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/63441853

LIV expecting to sign 2-4 players from the worlds top 15

anyone going to speculate ?

i was thinking Rory is a cert :-)

Zalatoris could go if he was offered big money and his injury could possibly recur. Be silly for him not to if that was the case.

I'd be surprised if Zalatoris went - he seems very grounded and has been firmly vocal about his distaste for LIV.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/65825327

merger

Meh, saw that earlier.

Apart from Koepka, just a bunch of washed up has beens. Mickelson seems to be more loathsome by the day.

Will be interesting to see what this means for the tournaments.  Do we get lots of 3 day events with no cut and limited fields?  Not sure how that is better if so.

Presumably the rankings will change too?

So Koepka definitely in the Ryder Cup, would you be taking anyone back on the Euro side?  It isn't like any of them will be a big miss and imagine Rory and Poulter playing together.

The Saudis bought the PGA tour to try and get their money back