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Title: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Alex Scott on April 09, 2006, 04:12:10 PM
I just posted an article on my website about a really bad rule I discovered last week. I'd be happy if a few of you guys read it and let me know what you think.

http://www.alexdscott.co.uk/articles/article11.html (http://www.alexdscott.co.uk/articles/article11.html)

Cheers.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: redsimon on April 09, 2006, 04:24:06 PM
Generally done to stop chip dumping. Vital in places like Nottingham


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Ironside on April 09, 2006, 04:31:30 PM
in most places now in the UK both hands are shown at showdown if the bets are called it also stop the messing about where people are arguing over who has to show first so that they can muck there rags if they are beat this can really slow the game down as 2 grown men fight for a minute or 2 over turning there cards


there are no standard rules in the UK but most casinos play by the show all hands at showdown


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Alex Scott on April 09, 2006, 08:40:13 PM
The point of the article is the rule has more detrimental effects than it does positive ones. Do you not agree?


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Indestructable on April 09, 2006, 09:26:31 PM
Alex was this at the Blonde masterclass as this is what happened with one of my hands where the guy indicated that i had won and the dealer insisted on a showdown. There was one player in the corner that wasn't happy with this rule wearing I think a Fulltilt logo?


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Boba Fett on April 09, 2006, 11:18:02 PM
I hate this rule for the simple fact that I could get tot he river, call a bet and take the hand but not see what my opponent raised with pre flop and bet with.  If you pay the price at the end you should be entitled to see your opponents cards as it provides information on how that person plays.  A showdown should be just that...a SHOWdown.  If you're embarrassed to show your hand at the end of betting then you shouldnt have played the hand the way you did.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: dik9 on April 09, 2006, 11:53:31 PM
just read your article and a bit peeved off!!!

For what its worth I think if you call to see a hand then you should see the hand unless the caller shows a winning hand straight away you can muck, but if they want to see your cards they can. If the bettor shows the winning hand and the caller mucks, then the bettor has no rights to see that hand.

The bit i was peeved off about is this bit
"Firstly, I'm not convinced that this rule is standard practice in UK venues. For a start, there isn't a set of rules that has been commonly adopted throughout anywhere in the world, let alone in the UK where most poker tournaments are run by incompetent staff who care more about getting the punters into the venue and fleecing them at table games than they do about running a decent competition. I therefore think its highly likely that the dealer in question either didn't know a lot about poker or was trained by somebody equally ignorant."

Yet another small minded customer who thinks the staff don't care......as staff why would we care how much you do on the tables? I run cardrooms, thats my job, I treat everyone the same to some managers distaste! The pit is not my problem, I just care that the people in the cardroom have a fair game.

Cardrooms are treated as second class to the pit by caisino's as it doesnt make them any money. Now i have to listen to people like you say we are incompetent as we only care about making money??? We get paid the same regardless of whether you play house games or not. My area is cardroom and thats my baby, so i look after my cardroom punters and treat everyone the same, with the rules i adopt to be fair to all. With impartial outcomes. I would love more than anything to adopt a universal set of rules for poker and a few of us have tried to get the ball rolling.

BTW How dare you slag us off!!


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: thetank on April 10, 2006, 01:08:51 AM
It might help to get a clue.  :D


To sum things up, this is a rule which might only be useful in preventing cheating once every few years in the whole of the UK



A sentence such as that nonsense makes it possible for a reader to dismiss the entire article (in which you made one or two valid points)

You may have a point that it's embarrasing for new players to show their cards at a showdown and that this might tighten them up. I doubt that the free information is huirting you much though. As a good player, you'll be able to take advantage of the extra info more than others.

Regarding the announcing the pot size,

It's done to make it easier on new players, what's the problem with that. Muffing up a bet is far more likely to turn someone away from a cardroom than having to show what pisch they've been playing in a SHOWdown. (I wonder what the etymology of that word is.)

My main concern is that,

MOST OF YOUR ARGUMENTS AGAINST THE UK RULES SEEM TO REVOLVE AROUND THE FACT THAT IT MAKES THINGS HARDER ON POOR OLD YOU TO FLEECE FOLK.

THE RULES ARE THERE TO MAKE IT A FUN AND FAIR GAME FOR ALL,  NOT TO ENSURE YOUR POCKETS REMAIN LINED WITH SILVER.

I'm against any rule that makes things as hard as possible for a beggining player.
A casual or inexperienced player is at enough of a disadvantage when he sits down with you is he not?



We totally do need to be consistent across the country though, and train the dealers better. Fair points there.



Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Alex Scott on April 10, 2006, 02:24:33 AM
A sentence such as that nonsense makes it possible for a reader to dismiss the entire article (in which you made one or two valid points)

Well, it was just conjecture. My point was that collusion is extremely rare, and the instances where this rule would help detect it are even more rare. I'd love to hear someone come up with a more accurate figure.

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just read your article and a bit peeved off

Yeah, I figured that, because your reply to this post over at the Hendon Mob Forums is plain nasty. Rest assured that the article wasn't aimed at you personally. However, the average tournament director or dealer in the UK knows much less about the game than their US equivalent, and that shows on the games. I think that is something that should change.

If you are a good tournament director, I'm very glad, because live poker in the UK needs to change for the better and we need good staff to lead the way. Casino management don't care about anything other than money, and I'm very pleased that you're standing up to them like you say in your post.

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If the bettor shows the winning hand and the caller mucks, then the bettor has no rights to see that hand.

I absolutely agree, and its the whole point of the article. However the rule in question makes the caller turn his hand faceup too, and I really don't agree with that.

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Alex was this at the Blonde masterclass as this is what happened with one of my hands where the guy indicated that i had won and the dealer insisted on a showdown. There was one player in the corner that wasn't happy with this rule wearing I think a Fulltilt logo?

Thats exactly where this situation happened, and I was the guy in the Full Tilt shirt. By the way, I'm sorry if I misjudged you (I refer to the two players involved in the showdown as 'fairly inexperienced'). I didn't spend long at the table with you, and most of the people there seemed fairly inexperienced, so I'm sorry if you're actually a world-class pro and I lumped you in with the rest of them!


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: thetank on April 10, 2006, 03:54:12 AM
I'm on the fence still with showdown rule but in it's defence I feel you're being very blinkered about it's benefits.

It's not just there to catch colluders in the act, it's more of a deterrent and educater aswell.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Yogi-Bear on April 10, 2006, 05:37:04 AM
Not wanting to read your article after reading Dik9's post. I feel too aggreived by it also and I haven't read it.

Yogi


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Indestructable on April 10, 2006, 06:48:46 AM
No Alex you were right I am a  ;fish;.
 :D


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: ACE2M on April 10, 2006, 10:10:15 AM
Hi Alex,

I was also in london when this situation arose and i argued in favour of it as i have experienced so many situations where players from the same clan in dingy casinos are playing a team game and i would love to see their hands as i know they are up to something.

I busted you by the way with the mighty 74os which was an automatic call unfortunately for you.



Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: GlasgowBandit on April 10, 2006, 10:19:37 AM
I'm not employed by casinos neither do I have any love for them but I think that article was shoddy to say the least there was no attempt and balancing it was just critical of UK staff.

I am only too happy with the rule that is in place and even on many webistes the rule is the same if you get to s a showdown cards should be shown thats the whole point of it being called a "showdown"


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: AndrewT on April 10, 2006, 10:59:56 AM
Blimey Alex, I bet you didn't expect all this aggravation from a little article.

I think that starting threads on two forums with no inherent content other than to direct the reader to your own website is spamming. You may not consider it as such but, certainly on here, we're used to reading actual content on the forum or on the main site - it's not an aggregation site for links to things posted elsewhere.

This may not be so bad if the article was highly illuminating, but I don't think it is. It's all well and good writing an article from your point of view on a particular matter, but the undercurrent running through it is "I'm right, and all these people are wrong". You seem to support your argument with statistics you've pulled out of thin air '

I'd say that less than 0.1% of poker players are colluders. This might be slightly higher in live tournaments, since players tend to attend these events with their friends and not by themselves, but the figure is probably still extremely low.'

I can appreciate that you want to make a career out of the poker business and to do that you need to be able to draw attention to yourself. However, we are all, no matter how knowledgeable or experienced, merely students of the game. I agree with Tank's points about things like announcing pot size (and letting players know when it's their big blind). If you sit down at any tournament table in the country, even at major festivals, you will be sat with people who have never played live before. You can either sharpen your claws and make life as uncomfortable as possible for them so it affects their game or allow the dealer to make things a little easier for them. If you feel that this gives up some of your edge at the poker table, then maybe you're not quite as good as you seem to think you are.

Alex, you can string a sentence together, and you do have strong views on the game, so I am sure that you are able to give valued contributions to a great many topics on here, provided you consider us more than just potential eyeballs for your personal website.

Blondeites of some months standing may well have the name of a past poster on here going through their heads. That didn't end well, though I think that Alex has the capacity to make far more worthwhile contributions than that particular individual did.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Robert HM on April 10, 2006, 11:10:07 AM
Good post AT


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Alex Scott on April 10, 2006, 11:11:58 AM
I think that starting threads on two forums with no inherent content other than to direct the reader to your own website is spamming. You may not consider it as such but, certainly on here, we're used to reading actual content on the forum or on the main site - it's not an aggregation site for links to things posted elsewhere.

Okay, I get your point, but it genuinely wasn't my intention to spam the forum, it was just easier to post the link. In future I won't do that.

I'm sorry if the article offended anybody who works in the industry. Obviously if you care enough to read it, the criticisms aren't aimed at you. The article just states my opinions based on my personal experience, and the whole point of posting the article on forums was so I could hear some contrary opinions.

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I'd say that less than 0.1% of poker players are colluders. This might be slightly higher in live tournaments, since players tend to attend these events with their friends and not by themselves, but the figure is probably still extremely low.'

That comment was based on my experience working with online poker sites. I don't have access to the exact figure, but I can guarantee it is lower than 0.1%.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: AdamM on April 10, 2006, 11:12:55 AM
poker betting is bartering a price to continue.
round one players are agreeing a price to see the flop.
round two players are agreeing a price to see the turn
round three players are agreeing a price to see the river
round four players are agreeing a price TO TURN THE CARDS ON THEIR BACKS.

sorry Alex but I think you're wrong.

also your minor irritation about the flop being dealt one at a time. better than someone accidentally flopping too many cards which I've seen.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: AndrewT on April 10, 2006, 11:26:48 AM
I'd say that less than 0.1% of poker players are colluders. This might be slightly higher in live tournaments, since players tend to attend these events with their friends and not by themselves, but the figure is probably still extremely low.

That comment was based on my experience working with online poker sites. I don't have access to the exact figure, but I can guarantee it is lower than 0.1%.

If you include all players, then it is. But if you don't include all the freeroll/low limit players, then I'd say 1 in 1000 could be on the conservative side as an estimate. If you include those who are chip dumping/colluding as part of non-poker inspired fraud (stolen credit cards/money laundering) then it certainly is.

'Same village' soft-playing in live tournaments certainly runs greater than 0.1%.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: londonpokergirl on April 10, 2006, 11:48:34 AM
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My point was that collusion is extremely rare, and the instances where this rule would help detect it are even more rare. I'd love to hear someone come up with a more accurate figure
However, the average tournament director or dealer in the UK knows much less about the game than their US equivalent, and that shows on the games. I think that is something that should change..

I think you are very naive to think that collusion is extremely rare.  I've seen it happen a few times and had to pull up the cardroom manager at the time to sort it out, however when i'm running tournaments/cash games i'm always watching out for it.

and sorry but i'm not your average tournament director.  I use TDA rules which are american rules and adapt for UK, but its not fair to say that UK directors/dealers know less about the game than the US equivalent.  How do you class Thomas Kremser who isn't american and one of the worlds best?  

You do make some valid points  but its unfair to class everybody the same.

Me, Bluewolf, Dik9 and Yogi are doing our best to change structures, payouts and anything we can to help poker players







Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: dik9 on April 10, 2006, 12:25:52 PM

That comment was based on my experience working with online poker sites. I don't have access to the exact figure, but I can guarantee it is lower than 0.1%.

 rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: thetank on April 10, 2006, 12:53:16 PM
Online players caught colluding less than 1 in 1000. I could believe that.


To suggest that the number of live players who are colluding is anywhere near that small is frankly just pig ignorant.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: ifm on April 10, 2006, 01:04:02 PM
The trouble with collusion (more so live) is how do you know?
It is so difficult to prove (not to recognise) that i doubt if more than a handful of people have been penalised for it in years.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: londonpokergirl on April 10, 2006, 01:08:22 PM
Well the one which springs to mind is on a final table when somebody showed AA preflop
in Nottingham,  he got banned

I've also heard people muttering their hands under their breath,  and scratching nose etc to a colleague that they have a big hand, it regularly happens , just that not all people are observant to it


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: tikay on April 10, 2006, 05:55:01 PM
What an extraodinary thread....!

blonde is safe, the Members themselves keep it that way for us all.

Proud to be blonde.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: fatshaft on April 10, 2006, 08:15:34 PM
I think I said enough on THM  ;goodvevil;


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Ironside on April 10, 2006, 08:33:46 PM
alex dont let this thread put you off posting on blonde your views are always welcome, just remember when putting your views up that some people will disagree with you,

blonde has a diverse membership including alot of staff in casinos many join this forum to try and help improve the game and therefore take critism that they are just looking to fleece the punters very hard.

as has already been stated many times on this and other forums the same village gangs mean that every step to stop cheat has to be taken at live events, and as i have already stated this rule also help speed up the game as 2 fly by nights try and get the other to show first so they can muck there rags this has been know to take awhile and card room manager called over to insure that cards are shown


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: BlueWolf on April 10, 2006, 10:06:40 PM
ok ok i just caught onto this late but i feel i have to have my say, i will admit i have just skimmed through the topic after i read the article as i was stunned

AS you state there is no common set of rules here in the UK or anywhere in the world for that matter. I do agree to a certain extent with what your saying about the rule, in higher value games where there should be a less likely chance off collusion it should not be used, but in lower stake games in certain places it is needed.

 know you have said the comment wasn't aimed at anyone in person (i doubt anyone thought you were just talking to them) but i have to say i found your comments amazing insulting. Its hard enough for us BRits to do anything pokerwise with everything being so much better everywhere else (apprently anyway, where exactly is the booming poker market these days??)

I know a few players look down on the people running poker tournements as it is as after all most of you have been playing longer than we have been born, so therefore your all obviously way better at running things than we are, fuck me i'm great at championship manger i might apply for the England job or as i'm quite nifty on TIger Woods 2006 i'll join the PGA tour next year.

Yes there are some rules people are unhappy about in some places, but its not like they are put there willy nilly just to piss you bigots off is it?


Its stupid insulting "i know it fucking all" comments like this that made me recently quit my position in the cardroom and go back to dealing (sorry fleecing suckers) in the pit.

So you didnt like the rule, so in your one game there you didnt understand, so have ytou played at every poker venue in the UK? Just remember without us ignorant imcompetant dickheads you'd have nowhere to play without sitting in your pants in front of a pc screen spitting in a bucket.






I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but we all work hard enough without some moron coming in and spamming his site address everywhere trying to gee up support whilst insulting the very job we do because we love the game so much. Yes tehre are a few bad TD's (as you all call em now) around butb theres some very bad poker players too do you cast them aside and poke them with the same stick?

Glad i quit


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: The Baron on April 10, 2006, 10:14:32 PM
Just to let people know we did a collusion poll. It was something like 1 in 8 players have colluded at some stage.

Not quite 0.1%.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: The Baron on April 10, 2006, 10:21:35 PM
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=7537.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=7537.0)

14 out of 108 have colluded.

That's 12.96% of players or 1 in every 7.72 players.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: tikay on April 10, 2006, 10:24:00 PM

Collusion is RIFE in Casino Poker.  Fact.

Casinos are just in it for the money? Well, err, yes, they are! What other reason could they have?!

It would have been far better if you had inputted the Article direct on blonde, rather than the rather unsubtle spam of your site, but you've already conceded that, so that's history, but as you can see, the blondeites spot these ruses a mile off.

Enjoy blonde my friend, it's a warm-hearted community, but it's best to say it as it is.

Baron - that poll. 14 have ADSMITTED colluding - far more actully collude in my opinion.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Karabiner on April 10, 2006, 10:31:38 PM

Collusion is RIFE in Casino Poker.  Fact.

Casinos are just in it for the money? Well, err, yes, they are! What other reason could they have?!

It would have been far better if you had inputted the Article direct on blonde, rather than the rather unsubtle spam of your site, but you've already conceded that, so that's history, but as you can see, the blondeites spot these ruses a mile off.

Enjoy blonde my friend, it's a warm-hearted community, but it's best to say it as it is.

Baron - that poll. 14 have ADSMITTED colluding - far more actully collude in my opinion.

I believe the poll was just for online Tikay.

Had it been for live play and folk were honest I reckon it would be staggeringly high.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: The Baron on April 10, 2006, 10:46:03 PM

Collusion is RIFE in Casino Poker.  Fact.

Casinos are just in it for the money? Well, err, yes, they are! What other reason could they have?!

It would have been far better if you had inputted the Article direct on blonde, rather than the rather unsubtle spam of your site, but you've already conceded that, so that's history, but as you can see, the blondeites spot these ruses a mile off.

Enjoy blonde my friend, it's a warm-hearted community, but it's best to say it as it is.

Baron - that poll. 14 have ADSMITTED colluding - far more actully collude in my opinion.

Yes agreed tikay.

However these figures still make for a great demonstration:

For example every 9 player STT you sit at will have one colluder on average. Obviously you cant collude alone, so for every two you play you will meet a pair of colluders. That's not a small amount whatsoever.

Think how many colluders Tank must have met by now? Assuming they are all 9 player STTs, he's met 4669 colluders once he's done his 4000 STTs. Pretty worrying really.

And as tikay says, they're just the ones that have ADMITTED it.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Alex Scott on April 10, 2006, 11:26:35 PM
Okay, I can see how people have got offended. After all, if you make generalisations about any group of people, someone in that group is bound to be upset even if the comment doesn't apply to them personally. Thats why racial and gender stereotypes are so offensive in general. So I admit I could have handled the situation more delicately.

However, I'm a passionate and opinionated person, and once I've made my mind up it takes some argument for me to change it. I've played in a lot of cardrooms and casinos over the past seven years, and I've had plenty of good experiences and plenty of bad ones. I've encountered cheating in the form of people marking cards and actually manipulating the deck. I've encountered collusion. But more than anything, I've encountered shoddy management. I've played in some great tournaments (like the British Poker Open, the UK Student Poker Championship, and the main event in Sheffield), some okay ones (like the regular tournies at the Gutshot) and some awful ones (like the tournaments in the casinos in Edinburgh). My point is that a large number of the small, regular tournaments in casinos are mainly there to get the punters in, and are an insult to the players. Casino management could do something about this, but they don't.

My quarrel is not with cardroom staff who try their best to please the players, and who work hard to put on well structured honest games. Its with the people who cut corners to save money, train dealers poorly (or don't provide them at all), and who put people in charge who have no knowledge of the game. Players in the UK deserve better, and we shouldn't stand for anything less than the best.

Regarding collusion, I do think that people in general are more paranoid about collusion than is warranted. I've rarely encountered it in live play, and I've recently started working for PokerStars - a site with over 5 million registered players - so I have access to lots of information about collusion. Part of my job is to investigate collusion cases, and they are blissfully rare. I don't think my statistic is far off the mark, at least for players on PokerStars. I also think that the poll The Baron is referring to, while admittedly being worryingly high, probably doesn't represent the general poker population very well. In other words, the people that reply to polls on a forum like this are probably more likely to have colluded than the average poker player, because they have more knowledge and experience be that good or bad.

Lastly, I want to state for the last time that I did not post this article simply to promote my website. Anyone who knows me will tell you that I love poker, I love discussing it, and I love writing about it. My website is just another medium for me to communicate my ideas and opinions on the game - its not a commercial venture. Notice that the link I posted goes straight to the article, its not some money making scheme.

Maybe I should've stuck to the Hand Analysis section... Still, I'm sure there will be many more controversial opinions for me to be slagged off for in the future.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: thetank on April 10, 2006, 11:31:09 PM
Just curious Alex,

Have you ever taken a saver with another player, owning a % of each other in a tournament?


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Alex Scott on April 10, 2006, 11:37:58 PM
Just curious Alex,

Have you ever taken a saver with another player, owning a % of each other in a tournament?

Yes - and I know where you're going with that. Needless to say I have never played differently against someone because I was involved in a swap with them. The only time my play has changed in a situation like this is in team events, where it's often a really bad strategic decision to knock out your team mate.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: The Baron on April 10, 2006, 11:41:28 PM
Regarding collusion, I do think that people in general are more paranoid about collusion than is warranted. I've rarely encountered it in live play, and I've recently started working for PokerStars - a site with over 5 million registered players - so I have access to lots of information about collusion. Part of my job is to investigate collusion cases, and they are blissfully rare. I don't think my statistic is far off the mark, at least for players on PokerStars. I also think that the poll The Baron is referring to, while admittedly being worryingly high, probably doesn't represent the general poker population very well. In other words, the people that reply to polls on a forum like this are probably more likely to have colluded than the average poker player, because they have more knowledge and experience be that good or bad.

I too now work for a cardroom. It's called blondepokerleague in case anyone didn't know. :) Not quite as big as the one you work for Alex but it's a quality cardroom all the same.

My point about collusion is entriely based on assumption. However IMO it's just scratching the surface. Blonde has a wide range of players, from WSOP bracelet winners and European Champions, to $1 STT kings and bonus whores.

People on here may not be a totally perfect representation of society as a whole but I'd bet a fair amount that if they haven't been involved in collusion or cheating, they've either been victims of it or seen it first hand. Isn't softplaying collusion? You're trying to tell me that doesn't go on much at the business end of a tourney when mates are involved? If we're being honest I think most of us know collusion is far GREATER than the poll shows - not less.

Some people wont admit it, some don't know they're doing it and some have just done it occasionally but it's all cheating to the most of us. Also don't mistake not catching colluders on your site with there not being many. IMO the difference between the numbers you have caught and the numbers that do it will be huge.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: dik9 on April 10, 2006, 11:41:49 PM
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Part of my job is to investigate collusion cases, and they are blissfully rare.

I think you will find collusion monitors that post on here and other forums, some of which are friends of mine. If you think that collusion is blissfully rare, i put it to you that you are either in the wrong job, or not seeing things that you should be. In fact you have made me slightly worried now about the security of Stars?

Still, you have proved by this thread, although for most part defendiing yourself, that you are passionate about poker. Welcome to blonde, where nearly 3000 peeps also are.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: tikay on April 10, 2006, 11:47:51 PM

We don't & won't "slag you off" Alex, we won't allow it, but to be fair, you were fairly rude & scathing about Cardroom Staff, & we have more of these on blonde than there are on any Forum, anywhere in Europe. These guys get it in te nexck week after week, so we needed to allow them right of reply. One of the rsponses in particular made me cringe, he got a bit excited, but it's not hard to see why. But we are beyond that now.

"Smaller tournaments in Casinos are simply there to get the punters in". Well yes, of course they are! But it's a marriage of convenience - thery want the Roulette Mugs, we want somwhere to play Tourney Poker. BOTH sides need to see the other side's view.

As for collusion, I have no real view of the online situation.

But in Live Poker Tournaments, it is RIFE, & if you do not  know that by now, you are not facing reality. Take that blindfold off, you are not watching properly - fact! You have me seriously concerned about the Site you work on if you really & truly believe what you say about collusion. But I suspect that was just a "attention getting" statement, albeit a badly chosen one. I'm afraid it's beyond argument - there is collusion a-plenty!

I know one Casino where I estimate betwen 40 & 50% of the players collude. And I have seen it in almost every British Casino I have played in, although not to that extent.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: londonpokergirl on April 10, 2006, 11:48:29 PM

Regarding collusion, I do think that people in general are more paranoid about collusion than is warranted. I've rarely encountered it in live play, and I've recently started working for PokerStars - a site with over 5 million registered players - so I have access to lots of information about collusion. Part of my job is to investigate collusion cases, and they are blissfully rare.

hmmmm  I know 7 people who are all good friends who work for pokerstars and your story doesn't match up to theirs!!  They are always checking hand historys for colluding people and checking transfers of monies and generally watching for collusion through players emailing them telling them about chat history and the likes

In no way is this a slur of pokerstars, quite the opposite, its good to see that online sites have a fantastic dept set up to watch out for it


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: thetank on April 10, 2006, 11:50:49 PM

Yes - and I know where you're going with that. Needless to say I have never played differently against someone because I was involved in a swap with them. The only time my play has changed in a situation like this is in team events, where it's often a really bad strategic decision to knock out your team mate.


I wasn't trying to suggest you would Alex. That was not my intended direction. (You're having a hard enough time as it is  :D )

My point is just that a lot of it goes on, you know tournaments are full of players swapping pieces of each other. The showdown rule is as decent a deterrent that I know of until I hear about a suitable alternative.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: The Baron on April 10, 2006, 11:52:00 PM
Also bear in mind that if online colluders do it well it's almost impossible to catch them.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: thetank on April 11, 2006, 12:00:09 AM
I happen to believe thats not true.

Collusion makes for poor games, which makes for less traffic. Colluders affect a room's bottom line and thats why I have every confidence that they're working strongly against it.


As the industry matures, collusion detection will become much more sophisticated and effective.

The organised gangs might still get away with it as they come up with new methods to avoid getting rumbled. The occasional bunch will still get caught though, and things will become much more difficult for the casual chancers to get in on the act.

CLARIFICATION EDIT : I'm referring to Online Poker in this post.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: BlueWolf on April 11, 2006, 12:09:09 AM
Oh it gets worse!!!

be thankful i been offline for a bit due to a power cut is helped me cool down a bit.

On reading further into this, not he article (i use thisterm loosley, as theres no art i self promotional bullshit) it turns out the "piee" then goes on to critise the way UK dealers deal??? and even suggests ealers should be morewlike that in the cinncinati kid??????  FFS man get a grip. I know and can appreciate dealers in this country are not always up to a super standard but having worked with a few it usually bcause of idiots like yourself who feel it is their god given right to chastise everything they do, no wonder so many drop out and are then replaced by inexperienced staff who do amke mistakes and generally have no interest in the game anyway.

I could go on and on about all this but i'm not going to, you are officially the only blondite i have come across that has offended me in any way. You shouldnt even be called a blondite as this to me relates to people whose views and opinions i respect and have all the time in the world for. In fact on THM forum, you state Blonde as another forum you contribute to even though these are you first set of posts, therefore ia djudge this just to be spam to get a few hits on your website and should be banned for doing so in such an unpleasant way. If you have anything interesting to say then feel free to join in the jovial athmosphere that is Blonde and by all means air your grief about aspects of poker comps etc but do so in a less disrespectful and less narrowminded way

WELCOME TO BLONDE


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: CelticGeezeer on April 11, 2006, 12:16:03 AM
I think you have got Mr Wolf on tilt. 8)


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: tikay on April 11, 2006, 12:18:47 AM
Steady on Wolfy. We must not call blondes "idiots", please.

I know you strongly disagree with Alex, but it's not pesonal.

Ir's easier to win arguments with guile, rather than abuse.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: BlueWolf on April 11, 2006, 12:22:25 AM
LOL, nah i dont do tilt. I genuinely welcome alex to BLonde and wish him every success as a TD his diploma will go far i'm sure. Just was a very ill advised topic abnd totally the wrong way to approach something so simple


Tikay i'm not calling all Blondes idiots, and i'm not argueing either and i havent taken it as a peronal insult in that way. But until i stepped down from cardroom i worked my ass off to try and improve the game in everyway i possibly could for the benefit of players, and i know almost every other TD on here has done the same so to be so belittled by an uneducated trash article like that which is so uninformed genuinly is most disrespectful.


But i apologise


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: NoflopsHomer on April 11, 2006, 12:23:38 AM
Ir's easier to win arguments with guile, rather than abuse.

Surely Ryu or Ken is better than Guile?


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: dik9 on April 11, 2006, 12:24:49 AM
obviously not trying to spam

post number 22
"Anyway, I wrote an article about some of the things you can do to protect yourself from card manipulation, and you can read it on my website at www.alexdscott.co.uk . Let me know what you think, I'm always looking for feedback."

 :D


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: snoopy1239 on April 11, 2006, 12:24:55 AM
Ir's easier to win arguments with guile, rather than abuse.

Surely Ryu or Ken is better than Guile?

Ryu by a country mile.

Hadooooooooooooooken!


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: NoflopsHomer on April 11, 2006, 12:32:30 AM
Ir's easier to win arguments with guile, rather than abuse.

Surely Ryu or Ken is better than Guile?

Ryu by a country mile.

Hadooooooooooooooken!

I could never beat that annoying bugger Vega.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: tikay on April 11, 2006, 12:38:06 AM

What? Eh? You boys lost me again. A childrens game, I guess?


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: steeley68 on April 11, 2006, 12:45:16 AM
Now I am late for bed!!

 ;tk;


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: thetank on April 11, 2006, 12:50:34 AM

and even suggests ealers should be morewlike that in the cinncinati kid?


Actually he cited the Cincinnati Kid as an example of ridiculous dealing.

That's why we think you're on tilt bluewolf  :D


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: BlueWolf on April 11, 2006, 01:15:34 AM
ah then i stand corrected, i was misinformed. As i stated i didnt bother reading the article in its entirety


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: JungleCat03 on April 11, 2006, 01:17:10 AM
I don't know Alex, but I've read some of his articles both on his site and in the hand analysis threads, and in general his arguments are lucid, intelligent and well constructed.

He's a relative newcomer to Blonde(like me really) and going around calling him names like idiot will always serve to undermine your own arguments to a far greater extent than it will your opponent's.

I hope the personal insults thrown at him in this thread don't stop him making a  valued contribution to the forum.



Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: tikay on April 11, 2006, 01:22:13 AM
I don't know Alex, but I've read some of his articles both on his site and in the hand analysis threads, and in general his arguments are lucid, intelligent and well constructed.

He's a relative newcomer to Blonde(like me really) and going around calling him names like idiot will always serve to undermine your own arguments to a far greater extent than it will your opponent's.

I hope the personal insults thrown at him in this thread don't stop him making a  valued contribution to the forum.



Agreed. There are no circumstances - except in jest - where we will allow fellow blondeites to be flamed.

Alex just got off on the wrong foot by his "linking" his site, & the blondes are very protective & territorial about these ruses, & spot them a mile off. But he's explained that, & everything's cool now.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: BlueWolf on April 11, 2006, 01:31:29 AM
yes well maybe the use of the word idiot was a little in haste, but i was angry and still stand by what i said. I however bear no personal malice towards Alex and have welcomed him to the site seriously, my opost was directed at not just him but anyone else who decides then can have a pop at the people in my profession and undermine the great work most of us are trying to do within the game.

I'm sure a post saying all men with moustaches are incompetant fools who think they look like Tom Selleck ( i do not think this btw) would provoke a similair reaction from several blondites although it would not be aimed personally at them if you see my point


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: tikay on April 11, 2006, 01:48:14 AM
yes well maybe the use of the word idiot was a little in haste, but i was angry and still stand by what i said. I however bear no personal malice towards Alex and have welcomed him to the site seriously, my opost was directed at not just him but anyone else who decides then can have a pop at the people in my profession and undermine the great work most of us are trying to do within the game.

I'm sure a post saying all men with moustaches are incompetant fools who think they look like Tom Selleck ( i do not think this btw) would provoke a similair reaction from several blondites although it would not be aimed personally at them if you see my point

Red-Dog has a moustache........


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Robert HM on April 11, 2006, 01:55:44 AM
so there you go, might be true after all


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: The Baron on April 11, 2006, 02:00:15 AM
Ir's easier to win arguments with guile, rather than abuse.

Surely Ryu or Ken is better than Guile?

Ryu by a country mile.

Hadooooooooooooooken!

Ryu rocks.

Tank IMO if you want to cheat and get away with it it's very possible. I dont know for sure as I haven't tried and I most certainly wouldn't post my thoughts on an open forum but I'd imagine there are ways to cheat without being caught.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: thetank on April 11, 2006, 02:08:14 AM
True, but I think it'll get harder.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: booder on April 11, 2006, 02:13:38 AM
True, but I think it'll get harder.

you watching the same film as me tank ?


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: NoflopsHomer on April 11, 2006, 02:16:46 AM
True, but I think it'll get harder.

you watching the same film as me tank ?

:D


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: snoopy1239 on April 11, 2006, 03:31:12 AM
Ir's easier to win arguments with guile, rather than abuse.

Surely Ryu or Ken is better than Guile?

Ryu by a country mile.

Hadooooooooooooooken!

I could never beat that annoying bugger Vega.

especially when he grabbed that cage. What a cheat!  ;tk;


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: maldini32 on April 11, 2006, 04:44:05 AM
Sagat was the absolute dogs bollocks, went on a 30 game unbeaten run wit him...i think...


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Suited_Jock on April 11, 2006, 09:57:58 AM
An unbeatable startegy involves either Blanka (constant electric shock) or E-Honda (constant thousand hand slap) lame i know but it works.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: fatshaft on April 11, 2006, 11:07:06 AM
ok, I'll post what I posted on THM then, as I also feel that the whole tone of the article was particularly uninformed and insulting to UK Cardroom Staff and Cardroom Managers, by the wya they are Cardroom Managers in this country Alex, not Tournament Directors, in the main anyway.  :D


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3. Dealing the flop one card at a time
This is just a minor irritation, but its a nice touch that is the sign of a good dealer. The flop is named after the sound made when three cards are spread face up in the middle of the table simultaneously. A lot of dealers seem to believe that the flop is supposed to be dealt one card at a time, which is just plain ignorance.
sorry my friend, it's not ignorance on heir part, that is how they are trained in this country, the all in one flop action is the American way


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2. Announcing the cards or the size of the pot
There's just no excuse for this. While somebody with little knowledge of poker might think that they are being helpful by announcing the cards or the pot size, they are actually giving away information that they shouldn't. A professional player can learn a lot by watching his opponent's reaction to the flop, and by announcing it you prevent him from acquiring this information. By announcing the size of the pot, especially in pot limit games, you prevent players from making a lot of bet-sizing mistakes (like underraising, or minimum betting - all of which provide information), and you also convey the fact that the size of the pot is important - educating the poor players to the detriment of others.
again that's how they're trained, and yes they should be verbalising the game, a silent dealer is a lazy dealer

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By the way, those of you looking for an extremely over the top example of this can watch The Cincinnati Kid, in which the dealers are always announcing every card. You'll see how ridiculous it can be.
there's a world of difference between a film, and a professionally trained dealer

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PS. There are several other things that some dealers in the UK do which annoy me. Actually, not every dealer does these things, and just as some dealers pitch the cards and other don't, some do these things and others don't. To be blunt, some dealers in the UK have been trained badly and have kept to these bad habits.
I'm afraid that those doing the opposite of what you would like are not the ones who have gotten into bad habits, quite the contrary.

I would like to see Yogi-Bear or Dik9 to comment, over to you lads.....


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Alex Scott on April 11, 2006, 11:12:08 AM
I love the way this has turned into a Streetfighter thread. Blanka had a weak spot on his forehead when doing the electric shock by the way, and it was nothing a distant Hadoken couldn't handle!


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Nem on April 11, 2006, 11:29:35 AM
An unbeatable startegy involves either Blanka (constant electric shock) or E-Honda (constant thousand hand slap) lame i know but it works.


You could light sweep against the electric shock.

against ehonda slap, just jump back and then jump into him with middle or heavy kick. ;)


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: dik9 on April 11, 2006, 11:42:50 AM
http://www.thehendonmob.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9643&start=15&sid=dc92e8389b4d488e59f632d4310a2f68

This is the whole thread, however, I think you have realised by now that a few of us were offended. Things said in the heat of moment, and all that. Still not convinced about your motives but I will let it lie. It states that it is not aimed at cardroom staff that take the time to post on these forums, however there are a few very good TD's that don't post on forums, and remain silent to keep annonymity. For fear of reprocussions. Sometimes rightly so as our jobs are in jeopardy as I have proved LOL. I have actually enjoyed this thread as it has ranged from one emotion to another, but maybe you could ask some of us a few questions as your time on blonde increases to get an insight of where we come from. I will be at the Maybury hopefully for their festival, and if you are registered for any event, then i will introduce myself to you.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: pinnaclepoker on April 11, 2006, 02:42:23 PM
If i could be so bold to add my humble opinion to this topic both as a former casino employee and serious poker player:

1. I think it's a good rule to show all hands at showdown in tournaments but not cash games. In tournaments especially in the UK there is a lot of collusion that goes on and this rule does help to combat it. A thing that happens a lot in the UK is soft playing of friends or people you have a percentage with. This is collusion and therefore cheating and i would like to see time penalties introduced for this sort of thing.

2. The majority of the cardroom staff in the UK do a tremendous job. Especially as cardrooms are considered a necessary evil by most casino managers. Furthermore they don't work for tips which makes their professional and friendly attitude even more impressive. There are of course exceptions, but arent there in everything?

3. The style of UK dealing is a little different from the rest of the world, but by no means worse. In fact i'd class some of the dealers at the Vic as the best in the world.

Just my two pence worth.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: tikay on April 11, 2006, 02:51:57 PM
Nice, well-reasoned, Post by pinnaclepoker.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: tikay on April 11, 2006, 02:52:30 PM
An unbeatable startegy involves either Blanka (constant electric shock) or E-Honda (constant thousand hand slap) lame i know but it works.


You could light sweep against the electric shock.

against ehonda slap, just jump back and then jump into him with middle or heavy kick. ;)

That was always my favoured method.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Nem on April 11, 2006, 02:59:43 PM
An unbeatable startegy involves either Blanka (constant electric shock) or E-Honda (constant thousand hand slap) lame i know but it works.


You could light sweep against the electric shock.

against ehonda slap, just jump back and then jump into him with middle or heavy kick. ;)

That was always my favoured method.

LOL ;tk;


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: The Baron on April 11, 2006, 03:23:12 PM
The ONLY unplayable player on SFII was Zangief but it took bout 3 years to play him right and was impossible on home consoles. You need that arcade joystick to work him properly.

For the average expert it as Ryu/Ken.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Nem on April 11, 2006, 03:26:52 PM
I owned with Ken, Ryu, Guile, Dhalsim, Sagat and Zangief.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: BlueWolf on April 11, 2006, 03:29:09 PM
M Bison was the easiest to play with, doing that flying electric thingy lol

hardest to fight was the indian bendy fellow )dhalsim?), couldnt get near him some times lol

did anyone actually like playing as the boxer????

Ryu Rocked tho


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: tikay on April 11, 2006, 03:34:32 PM
The ONLY unplayable player on SFII was Zangief but it took bout 3 years to play him right and was impossible on home consoles. You need that arcade joystick to work him properly.

For the average expert it as Ryu/Ken.

Now it can be revealed. I WAS Zangief.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Ironside on April 11, 2006, 03:36:27 PM
WTF is this about?


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: NoflopsHomer on April 11, 2006, 03:36:35 PM
Guile's flip kick if timed perfectly against Blanka's ball attack can take off half his health...


Could anyone actually do Zangief's spinning piledriver?


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: thetank on April 11, 2006, 03:40:31 PM
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa boom bo boom


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: BlueWolf on April 11, 2006, 03:42:16 PM
zangief was the russian fellow? sure i could pull it off at times but was a bit tricky, and tony you do look quite like zangief lol maybe you should get a eye patch lol

and Balrog was the boxer wasnt he? i remeber he used to be m bison but the swapped due to a similair named boxer threatening to sue lol

Anyone play the original SF in arcades with the rollerball?? now that was hard


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: thetank on April 11, 2006, 03:43:25 PM
Eddie Cordo from Tekken 3, now there was a fighter. X and O constantly, lurvely.

You could do the whole of Tekken force mode standing on your hands and spinning around whenever someone came close.

mmmmmm Chicken


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Ironside on April 11, 2006, 03:44:22 PM
i loved double dragon

give me that baseball bat and let me take the bad guys heads off


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Nem on April 11, 2006, 03:48:27 PM
Eddie Cordo from Tekken 3, now there was a fighter. X and O constantly, lurvely.

You could do the whole of Tekken force mode standing on your hands and spinning around whenever someone came close.

mmmmmm Chicken

In Tekken Tag it has to be Paul Pheonix and Jin Kazama.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: The Baron on April 11, 2006, 03:50:54 PM
Bison? Pah! Shen long dragon punch his flying electric thingy all day long.

Balrog was pants. All you had to do was be E Honda and hundred hand slap on the spot and he just runs into you and dies as he cant jump very high.

If you'd mastered Zangief there was nothing more to learn. Like I said, nigh on impossible to do on a console though.

Double Dragon? Now you are teasing me! Anyone remember final fight? The ORIGINAL Capcom masterpiece!


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: NoflopsHomer on April 11, 2006, 03:53:09 PM
Pah nothing holds a candle to the Dwarf's axe-roll (I SAID AXE-ROLL) and running headbutt in Golden Axe.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: snoopy1239 on April 11, 2006, 03:54:21 PM
An unbeatable startegy involves either Blanka (constant electric shock) or E-Honda (constant thousand hand slap) lame i know but it works.

There is some truth to this, but you'd have to ram your opponent up against the corner for these moves to be of any use.

Fireball and jumping kicks could easily combat this otherwise.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: BlueWolf on April 11, 2006, 03:54:49 PM
Final Fight rocked on the neo geo. But double dragon was wicked but nowhere near as good as golden axe


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: snoopy1239 on April 11, 2006, 03:56:01 PM
The ONLY unplayable player on SFII was Zangief but it took bout 3 years to play him right and was impossible on home consoles. You need that arcade joystick to work him properly.

For the average expert it as Ryu/Ken.

Yes, he was doggy doo, and just as rubbish as an opponent.

Although, if you could master the spinning pile-driver that removed half your energy bar, then maybe you could make him a force to be reckoned with. Otherwise, forget it, cos those fireballs will get the Big Slow every time. Have you seen the ogre jump??


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Nem on April 11, 2006, 03:56:23 PM
Final Fight took all my pocket money in 1990.

In those days it was money well spent. Always an argument before we played between me and my old pals to who chose Haggar.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Bongo on April 11, 2006, 03:56:29 PM
I found a "remake" of streets of rage a while back called "beats of rage".

It's pretty good and is free:

http://www.senileteam.com/

Did anyone else play a game called "Bushido Blade"? It was a sword fighting game that was different because it had no health bars, ie you could take many non fatal blows and keep fighting but 1 well placed attack could kill you instantly, and also that your player got "injured" ie a good hit to the leg meant you could no longer walk but had to hobble or roll around. It was quite good fun.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: snoopy1239 on April 11, 2006, 03:57:05 PM
M Bison was the easiest to play with, doing that flying electric thingy lol

hardest to fight was the indian bendy fellow )dhalsim?), couldnt get near him some times lol

did anyone actually like playing as the boxer????

Ryu Rocked tho

No, Balrog was rubbish, but was tricky to beat because once he started throwing those fists he didn't stop. He could beat you pretty quickly if you weren't on your toes.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Nem on April 11, 2006, 03:57:50 PM
golden axe

On the Mega Drive. Whta a classic


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Nem on April 11, 2006, 03:58:48 PM
Streets of Rage was a cool game.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Nem on April 11, 2006, 03:59:23 PM
http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?game_id=7794


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: NoflopsHomer on April 11, 2006, 04:02:25 PM
Hmmmmmmmm.....

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Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: tikay on April 11, 2006, 04:02:55 PM
The ONLY unplayable player on SFII was Zangief but it took bout 3 years to play him right and was impossible on home consoles. You need that arcade joystick to work him properly.

For the average expert it as Ryu/Ken.

Yes, he was doggy doo, and just as rubbish as an opponent.

Although, if you could master the spinning pile-driver that removed half your energy bar, then maybe you could make him a force to be reckoned with. Otherwise, forget it, cos those fireballs will get the Big Slow every time. Have you seen the ogre jump??

I actually represented my County at Tournament spinning pile-driver.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Nem on April 11, 2006, 04:03:26 PM
Hmmmmmmmm.....

Obviously separated at birth.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: NoflopsHomer on April 11, 2006, 04:03:52 PM
The ONLY unplayable player on SFII was Zangief but it took bout 3 years to play him right and was impossible on home consoles. You need that arcade joystick to work him properly.

For the average expert it as Ryu/Ken.

Yes, he was doggy doo, and just as rubbish as an opponent.

Although, if you could master the spinning pile-driver that removed half your energy bar, then maybe you could make him a force to be reckoned with. Otherwise, forget it, cos those fireballs will get the Big Slow every time. Have you seen the ogre jump??

I actually represented my County at Tournament spinning pile-driver.

 rotflmfao


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: thetank on April 11, 2006, 04:05:52 PM
It's not proper street fighter over here though.

The computer announces the name of the moves, you'd never get that in the states.

It's just plain wrong.  ;goodvevil;


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: The Baron on April 11, 2006, 04:08:20 PM
The ONLY unplayable player on SFII was Zangief but it took bout 3 years to play him right and was impossible on home consoles. You need that arcade joystick to work him properly.

For the average expert it as Ryu/Ken.

Yes, he was doggy doo, and just as rubbish as an opponent.

Although, if you could master the spinning pile-driver that removed half your energy bar, then maybe you could make him a force to be reckoned with. Otherwise, forget it, cos those fireballs will get the Big Slow every time. Have you seen the ogre jump??

Noooooo! If you learned Zangief properly he was thee man. If you blocked and grabbed like the best players do you can kill someone in 3 moves with Zangief, fireballs or not.

Haggar was sooo much better than Cody or Guy.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Nem on April 11, 2006, 04:09:28 PM
Guy was better than Cody


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: The Baron on April 11, 2006, 04:11:43 PM
Guy was better than Cody

I dunno who's who, but the guy in red was better than the guy in white.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: NoflopsHomer on April 11, 2006, 04:12:42 PM
Guy was better than Cody

Guy only had his lame ass 'Off the Wall' kick. Cody could fight with knives, plus Cody gets the girl. Guy just ends up looking like he needs a haircut.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: I, Zimbra on April 11, 2006, 05:22:19 PM
It's not proper street fighter over here though.

The computer announces the name of the moves, you'd never get that in the states.

It's just plain wrong.  ;goodvevil;
:D

That has to be the most diverse linkage between two such disparate themes in one thread!

Plus, after many many hours of trial and error, I learned how to spinning Piledriver with Zangief on the SNES - apart from Dhalsim's teleport, the most difficult manoeuvre to pull off... it just requires discipline and patience.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: tikay on April 11, 2006, 06:01:47 PM
It's not proper street fighter over here though.

The computer announces the name of the moves, you'd never get that in the states.

It's just plain wrong.  ;goodvevil;
:D

That has to be the most diverse linkage between two such disparate themes in one thread!

Plus, after many many hours of trial and error, I learned how to spinning Piledriver with Zangief on the SNES - apart from Dhalsim's teleport, the most difficult manoeuvre to pull off... it just requires discipline and patience.


Took me months to get it just right.

Now, what were we supposed to be discussing? This thread is a classic example of how the blondes cool the fires themselves when things get a little heated.  Great stuff.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: gatso on April 11, 2006, 09:35:30 PM

and sorry but i'm not your average tournament director.  I use TDA rules which are american rules and adapt for UK,


What do you do to adapt for the UK Mel?


and back to the matter in hand.
is there any real difference between playing ryu or ken? I always thought it was more of an aesthetic choice, kind of like deciding whether to play mario or luigi, it depends which one you like the look of the best but basically they play the same


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Nem on April 11, 2006, 10:15:41 PM

and sorry but i'm not your average tournament director.  I use TDA rules which are american rules and adapt for UK,


What do you do to adapt for the UK Mel?


and back to the matter in hand.
is there any real difference between playing ryu or ken? I always thought it was more of an aesthetic choice, kind of like deciding whether to play mario or luigi, it depends which one you like the look of the best but basically they play the same


Ken has a slanted Dragon punch,  instead of a vertical dragon punch like Ryu. Mario is a lot easier to control than Luigi, Luigi was better at jumping that Mario.

I hope that helps ::)


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Newmanseye on April 11, 2006, 10:18:00 PM
I always opted for Ken when Playing street fighter, Ken had a great grapple roll and throw move that took about one quarter of your opponents life. in to that he also has a killer spinning kick.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: gatso on April 11, 2006, 10:30:07 PM
 Mario is a lot easier to control than Luigi, Luigi was better at jumping that Mario.

I hope that helps ::)
[/quote] 

sorry, I wasn't specific enough, I was talking about super mario kart in which I never noticed a difference between the 2


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Nem on April 11, 2006, 10:33:10 PM
Yeah, they are the same in Mario Kart. Just like Donkey Kong and Bowser ae the same in Mario Kart as well.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: I, Zimbra on April 11, 2006, 10:35:13 PM

and sorry but i'm not your average tournament director.  I use TDA rules which are american rules and adapt for UK,


What do you do to adapt for the UK Mel?


and back to the matter in hand.
is there any real difference between playing ryu or ken? I always thought it was more of an aesthetic choice, kind of like deciding whether to play mario or luigi, it depends which one you like the look of the best but basically they play the same

NOOOOOOOOOOO

Ryu had more powerful fireballs

Ken had a more powerful dragon punch

the difference was miniscule... but like Shaun Ryder said..... "It's DAREEEEEEE"






Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Newmanseye on April 11, 2006, 10:40:48 PM
Yeah, they are the same in Mario Kart. Just like Donkey Kong and Bowser ae the same in Mario Kart as well.

TAlking of mario Kart, I just completed it on the DS and what a game it is, Super addictive and great fun as usual.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: I, Zimbra on April 11, 2006, 10:41:40 PM
Yeah, they are the same in Mario Kart. Just like Donkey Kong and Bowser ae the same in Mario Kart as well.

TAlking of mario Kart, I just completed it on the DS and what a game it is, Super addictive and great fun as usual.
Kept my SNES in usage long after the poor thing should have been retired.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: gatso on April 11, 2006, 10:44:28 PM
I bought a snes on ebay a few years ago just to be able to play this again. these new consoles are great but for pure gameplay I don't think anything has yet beaten this game


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Nem on April 11, 2006, 10:46:14 PM
You're spot on gatso. The original SNES Mario Kart game is the best driving game ever (PS2 Gran Turismo included)



Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: I, Zimbra on April 11, 2006, 10:49:09 PM
Battle, anyone?  :D


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: gatso on April 11, 2006, 10:51:00 PM
I still remember the great feeling of finally winning rainbow road on the 150cc level. fantastic.

and the many late nights spent on battle mode after the pub meant my 3 years at uni just flew by


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Newmanseye on April 11, 2006, 10:51:48 PM
I'll play anyone on mario kart DS online, if you have one and have a wifi connection.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Nem on April 11, 2006, 10:54:43 PM
Pro Evolution soccer is my game now, apart from Poker. ::)


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: The Baron on April 11, 2006, 11:47:26 PM
MarioKart 64 was very underrated.

So much more skill than the original. That got heated!


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Newmanseye on April 11, 2006, 11:51:26 PM
I never liked Mario Kart 64 only because I hated the N64 control pad, I found it fidgety and a pain to use.

I do love the DS version though it has a lot of the old tracks available to play, also the Battle games are Killer.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: thetank on April 11, 2006, 11:54:52 PM

Ir's easier to win arguments with guile, rather than abuse.

Surely Ryu or Ken is better than Guile?


For thread historians, this is how it started.

How most tangents begin, with an awful pun.  :D


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: ACE2M on April 11, 2006, 11:58:08 PM
Mario kart on the 64, them were the days.

£10 each, winner takes all on 4 player for 10 hrs straight, great times. (not forgetting the glory of goldeneye)


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: The Baron on April 12, 2006, 12:01:06 AM
Mario kart on the 64, them were the days.

£10 each, winner takes all on 4 player for 10 hrs straight, great times. (not forgetting the glory of goldeneye)

Goldeneye? Now you are talking my language!

Tank you cant diss Floppy, he's been on fire today. :D


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Newmanseye on April 12, 2006, 12:09:03 AM
My mates and I used to play worms for cash, mind you we all loved and lived for the playstation. I remember many a drunken night tossing grenades and pulling uzi's on each other.



Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Nem on April 12, 2006, 12:09:09 AM
Golden Eye, what a game.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: The Baron on April 12, 2006, 12:11:07 AM
Golden Eye, what a game.

ODDJOB IS BANNED!


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: I, Zimbra on April 12, 2006, 12:27:16 AM
Mario kart on the 64, them were the days.
ehhhhhh?

SNES!!!!!!!!


 ;tk;


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Bongo on April 12, 2006, 12:41:01 AM
You guys will love nintendos new console - it has access (via the internet) to a lot of the back catalog of previous nintendo consoles - ie golden eye, mario kart etc etc.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Royal Flush on April 12, 2006, 01:22:31 AM
Mario Kart and Goldeneye were the 2 best games ever made.

I remember having a 4 player 12hr marathon on Goldeneye with throwing knives only and on the licence to kill mode.

That was the beauty to goldeye multiplayer, licence to kill mode, usually with pistols.

Mario Kart is pure class, nothing better than a good batle royale


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: ifm on April 12, 2006, 01:29:37 AM
Dungeon master on the amiga


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: snoopy1239 on April 12, 2006, 01:30:55 AM
I think Pro Evo is the best game ever made.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Nem on April 12, 2006, 01:32:09 AM
I think Pro Evo is the best game ever made.

Definitely.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Sark79 on April 12, 2006, 01:36:00 AM
Toca Touring Cars for the PS2.  I love these games.  When I play it, I imagine all my childhood dreams came true. I am BTCC champion.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Bongo on April 12, 2006, 01:36:09 AM
Pro Evo comp at the next bash then?  :D


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Sark79 on April 12, 2006, 01:36:57 AM
Sensible Soccer. Best football game


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: The Baron on April 12, 2006, 01:41:43 AM
That was the beauty to goldeye multiplayer, licence to kill mode, usually with pistols.

Amen to that. We used to decide everything in our house by LTK mode with pistols. The washing up, who was making the tea, who was fetching the beer from the fridge, who answred the door, who answered the phone... All the important stuff.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: I, Zimbra on April 12, 2006, 01:48:49 AM
Mario Kart is pure class, nothing better than a good batle royale
Phil Hellmuth: Am I Phil Hellmuth? Is that A-K? You're forgetting one thing....  I can dodge red shells, baby!


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Nem on April 12, 2006, 02:04:57 AM
Sensible Soccer. Best football game

Not even in the same league as Pro Evolution Soccer


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Newmanseye on April 12, 2006, 03:21:31 AM
Does anyone remember Cannon Fodder?  That was a great game!! So many hours, But the best game ever honour has to go to Final Fantasy 7, By far and away the best game ever, I racked up 70 hours on that game before I fully completed it.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: snoopy1239 on April 12, 2006, 03:26:43 AM
Does anyone remember Cannon Fodder?  That was a great game!! So many hours, But the best game ever honour has to go to Final Fantasy 7, By far and away the best game ever, I racked up 70 hours on that game before I fully completed it.

The Final Fantasy games are pretty out of this world.

I think I only ever found time to finish one, and it took me 50 or so hours.

Is number 7 the one with the Chocoba (correct spelling?) racing? If so, than that's the one I managed to crack. Incredible game.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Newmanseye on April 12, 2006, 03:31:56 AM
Does anyone remember Cannon Fodder?  That was a great game!! So many hours, But the best game ever honour has to go to Final Fantasy 7, By far and away the best game ever, I racked up 70 hours on that game before I fully completed it.

The Final Fantasy games are pretty out of this world.

I think I only ever found time to finish one, and it took me 50 or so hours.

Is number 7 the one with the Chocoba (correct spelling?) racing? If so, than that's the one I managed to crack. Incredible game.

Thats the one snoops, I think they were chocobos??  What a great game, Do you remember the bad guy sephiroth, His move was tough to beat, although once you had the omnislah he was a piece of cake.

Ok I just re read this and yes I am a geek.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: maldini32 on April 12, 2006, 03:33:00 AM
PRO Evolution by a country mile...spent so many hours on that and champ man....probably y i fuked up my a levels!  :D


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: thetank on April 12, 2006, 03:33:59 AM
Did you beat Ruby Weapon?



Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: snoopy1239 on April 12, 2006, 03:35:28 AM
Does anyone remember Cannon Fodder?  That was a great game!! So many hours, But the best game ever honour has to go to Final Fantasy 7, By far and away the best game ever, I racked up 70 hours on that game before I fully completed it.

The Final Fantasy games are pretty out of this world.

I think I only ever found time to finish one, and it took me 50 or so hours.

Is number 7 the one with the Chocoba (correct spelling?) racing? If so, than that's the one I managed to crack. Incredible game.

Thats the one snoops, I think they were chocobos??  What a great game, Do you remember the bad guy sephiroth, His move was tough to beat, although once you had the omnislah he was a piece of cake.

Ok I just re read this and yes I am a geek.

Was he the guy at the end.

If he was, boy he was tough. Everytime I fought him it took 20 minutes a bout cos my moves took so long to complete.

One move must have lasted 5 minutes. I think it was called 'Galaxies' or something and it involved all the planets.

You kinda keep at it tho when you've been playing 50 hours. Wasn't too keen on giving up at the last hurdle.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: ifm on April 12, 2006, 03:36:59 AM
FF7 was awesome, i used to name my main character on Baldurs Gate Sephiroth :D
Blimey, i'm a geek too!


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: snoopy1239 on April 12, 2006, 03:40:36 AM
FF7 was awesome, i used to name my main character on Baldurs Gate Sephiroth :D
Blimey, i'm a geek too!

Finally out of the closet...


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: The Baron on April 12, 2006, 03:40:46 AM
With modern games I would have to say Knights of the Old Republic I & II for XBOX is the most addictive for me. I lost 50 odd hours per file! Played each of them light and dark side at least twice each so that's about 400 hours.

For out and out hour count though you simply cannot beat Championship Manager.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Newmanseye on April 12, 2006, 03:45:56 AM
Does anyone remember Cannon Fodder?  That was a great game!! So many hours, But the best game ever honour has to go to Final Fantasy 7, By far and away the best game ever, I racked up 70 hours on that game before I fully completed it.

The Final Fantasy games are pretty out of this world.

I think I only ever found time to finish one, and it took me 50 or so hours.

Is number 7 the one with the Chocoba (correct spelling?) racing? If so, than that's the one I managed to crack. Incredible game.

Thats the one snoops, I think they were chocobos??  What a great game, Do you remember the bad guy sephiroth, His move was tough to beat, although once you had the omnislah he was a piece of cake.

Ok I just re read this and yes I am a geek.

Was he the guy at the end.

If he was, boy he was tough. Everytime I fought him it took 20 minutes a bout cos my moves took so long to complete.

One move must have lasted 5 minutes. I think it was called 'Galaxies' or something and it involved all the planets.

You kinda keep at it tho when you've been playing 50 hours. Wasn't too keen on giving up at the last hurdle.

It was called the supernova I'm sure, and it took ages to get through it, The video scened were great.

To answer tanks question the ruby weapon was a piece of cake.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Royal Flush on April 12, 2006, 04:09:36 AM
For out and out hour count though you simply cannot beat Championship Manager.

Agreed, all my school life i played that nearly evreyday. Only Diablo ever interupted CM!


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: thetank on April 12, 2006, 05:04:44 AM
Are we talking about the same boss?

The two Weapons in FF7 were optional. You didn't need to kill them to complete the game, but they were to prove your geekiness.

You needed the Golden Chocobo (which took ages) to get the "Knights of The Round" summon materia and everyone needed a ribbon (which took ages aswell, I think one was a prize at the Golden Saucer)

The first one was underwater, a big brute who had over 1,000,000 HP. The second was in the desert and was even tougher.


The "final" Sephiroth battle was a cake walk in comparisom.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Newmanseye on April 12, 2006, 05:17:56 AM
Are we talking about the same boss?

The two Weapons in FF7 were optional. You didn't need to kill them to complete the game, but they were to prove your geekiness.

You needed the Golden Chocobo (which took ages) to get the "Knights of The Round" summon materia and everyone needed a ribbon (which took ages aswell, I think one was a prize at the Golden Saucer)

The first one was underwater, a big brute who had over 1,000,000 HP. The second was in the desert and was even tougher.


The "final" Sephiroth battle was a cake walk in comparisom.


Aye, same boss, The best way to defeat him was to kill off two members of your team straight away so they stay on the field, then you would revive them after the boss created a portal to remove them from play. That gave you the 3 peeps to attack him. Like I said Piece of cake.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: thetank on April 12, 2006, 05:27:45 AM
If that was a piece of cake, how can you have found the Sephiroth battle tough? I thought it was a complete non-event.

Like the end of the first Tomb Raider, when the evil chicky comes back, seemingly from the dead, with her machine guns a-blazing saying "You won't kill me off that easy Lara"

I should bloody hope not, I've still got 12 Medi-packs left. Bring it sister.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Newmanseye on April 12, 2006, 05:32:10 AM
If that was a piece of cake, how can you have found the Sephiroth battle tough? I thought it was a complete non-event.

Like the end of the first Tomb Raider, when the evil chicky comes back, seemingly from the dead, with her machine guns a-blazing saying "You won't kill me off that easy Lara"

I should bloody hope not, I've still got 12 Medi-packs left. Bring it sister.

The sephiroth battle is only easy if you have the omnislash ( i think that was it)  if you dont use that move you have a tough time beating him.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: thetank on April 12, 2006, 05:35:42 AM
It's been a while since I played silly games.

It's been limit holdem over limit breaks for years now.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: BlueWolf on April 12, 2006, 07:09:26 AM
OMG i dont feel so bad now for being a geek, especially after spending the weekend watchin thundercats lol

FFVII rocked although i gave up when i came up against "lost number" or whatever he was in the house just couldnt beat him.

Sensi soccer was awesome too, and in about a month we get all new sensi soccer to celebrate 20 odd years of the game, will be available on all major formats.

Oh and CM was great but now its FM all the way baby


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: thetank on April 12, 2006, 07:34:14 AM
It seems we are, or were, all big geeks. Who'd have thunk it?

I guess internet forum users are a disproportional cross section of society though, there might be some regular folks in the world still.   :D


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Royal Flush on April 12, 2006, 07:35:25 AM
Oh and CM was great but now its FM all the way baby

Well its the same thing


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Nem on April 12, 2006, 03:08:03 PM
Oh and CM was great but now its FM all the way baby

Well its the same thing

FM is MUCH better.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Ironside on April 12, 2006, 03:09:27 PM
Oh and CM was great but now its FM all the way baby

Well its the same thing

FM is MUCH better.

FM is CM the new CM has nothing to do with the old CM and is crap


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Royal Flush on April 12, 2006, 03:11:20 PM
Oh and CM was great but now its FM all the way baby

Well its the same thing

FM is MUCH better.

Its just the latest version. Like Cm4 was better than CM3....


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Ironside on April 12, 2006, 03:15:09 PM
Oh and CM was great but now its FM all the way baby

Well its the same thing

FM is MUCH better.

Its just the latest version. Like Cm4 was better than CM3....

no it wasnt CM4 was bug ridden to hell and back


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: AndrewT on April 12, 2006, 03:56:35 PM
no it wasnt CM4 was bug ridden to hell and back

Every CM (particularly the ones which were new editions) were buggy on release. I made it a rule not to buy the latest one until there had been two patches released.

From looking at the current league table, it would appear the current management at Cheltenham Town have some way to go to emulate my achievements with them of winning the Premier League in 2009 and reaching the 2010 Champions League final (when we lost 2-0 to Fiorentina).


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: graeme on April 12, 2006, 04:54:58 PM


Every CM (particularly the ones which were new editions) were buggy on release. I made it a rule not to buy the latest one until there had been two patches released.

From looking at the current league table, it would appear the current management at Cheltenham Town have some way to go to emulate my achievements with them of winning the Premier League in 2009 and reaching the 2010 Champions League final (when we lost 2-0 to Fiorentina).
[/quote]

Fiorentina in a CL final? That's just ridiculous


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Cybertim on April 12, 2006, 04:59:33 PM
Buggy?  you havent seen buggy till you try to get the items on the conservatory roof in "Jet Set Willy"   ahhhhhhhhhh  happy days  lol


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: I, Zimbra on April 12, 2006, 07:14:32 PM
Julian Gollop's "Chaos: Battle of the Wizards" on the 48k Spectrum.

It was all downhill after that.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: thetank on April 12, 2006, 07:53:07 PM
Completng Technician Ted on the Speccy 48k was a hard ask.

I never could.


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: NoflopsHomer on April 12, 2006, 08:16:48 PM
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion is stopping me from playing poker at the moment. As did the following when they came out:

FEAR
Half-Life 2
Rome: Total War
Battlefield 2


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Ironside on April 12, 2006, 08:26:36 PM
Elite 4 the future of gaming


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: Barflies on April 13, 2006, 02:01:52 AM
just read your article and a bit peeved off!!!

For what its worth I think if you call to see a hand then you should see the hand unless the caller shows a winning hand straight away you can muck, but if they want to see your cards they can. If the bettor shows the winning hand and the caller mucks, then the bettor has no rights to see that hand.

The bit i was peeved off about is this bit
"Firstly, I'm not convinced that this rule is standard practice in UK venues. For a start, there isn't a set of rules that has been commonly adopted throughout anywhere in the world, let alone in the UK where most poker tournaments are run by incompetent staff who care more about getting the punters into the venue and fleecing them at table games than they do about running a decent competition. I therefore think its highly likely that the dealer in question either didn't know a lot about poker or was trained by somebody equally ignorant."

Yet another small minded customer who thinks the staff don't care......as staff why would we care how much you do on the tables? I run cardrooms, thats my job, I treat everyone the same to some managers distaste! The pit is not my problem, I just care that the people in the cardroom have a fair game.

Cardrooms are treated as second class to the pit by caisino's as it doesnt make them any money. Now i have to listen to people like you say we are incompetent as we only care about making money??? We get paid the same regardless of whether you play house games or not. My area is cardroom and thats my baby, so i look after my cardroom punters and treat everyone the same, with the rules i adopt to be fair to all. With impartial outcomes. I would love more than anything to adopt a universal set of rules for poker and a few of us have tried to get the ball rolling.

BTW How dare you slag us off!!
Well said


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: thetank on April 13, 2006, 03:47:08 AM
But more importantly, are you a Ryu or Guile man barflies?


Title: Re: A terrible tournament rule
Post by: The Baron on April 13, 2006, 03:48:18 AM
But more importantly, are you a Ryu or Guile man barflies?

Err... it's a lady.

So are you a Ryu or Guile lady barflies?