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I have just returned from the Brighton (sussex masters) comp and was pretty pleased with my performance - last 3 tables with a blinding headache - so not too shabby.

I am however in shock over one player who was abusive and incredibly rude not only to me but other players. I am female and can be hormonal can someone tell me if I'm being sensitive or was it out of order.......at what point is it unacceptable....being a woman I'm not sure what men think is ok and what isn't.

I am short stacked, nearly go all in and decide not to push my chips in. Two other players do, the guy to my right who I have been having a great game with and a new player to our table who is in a great chip position decide to go all in.

I had 6 7 unsuited but the table had been paying off 6 7 all night but I just wasn't brave enough. As soon as they had shown their cards I admitted I had nearly pushed in with my 6 7. The cards come down and I see two sixes come into view, I shout out in disgust at my lack of balls and the newbie at our table takes offence thinking I am disappointed that the player to my left lost the race. Not al all I explain and repeat the 6 7 hand I had been holding.

Unimpressed he tells me to shut my mouth and button it and then refers to me as a fat C**T.

Now I take a bit of time normally to take offence as I always think the best of people, and this was no exception, and it wasn't until I had left the comp and had reflected on it that I really began to get upset.

In the meantime the guy has taken out another player, called him the same and then at the break seen him downstairs at the gaming tables and shouted LOSER LOSER at him several times.

I did report him eventually and the TD was great, keeping an eye on him and were ready to warn him if they heard it but as I hadn't reported him at the time I did look a bit stupid...

What do  others think? He had had a drink so there was that to take into account.  I chose not to allow him to put me on tilt (well i thought I had until I threw my chips in with a stupid hand!). Am I wrong to avoid confrontation at the table like this? Or would I have been better to let him have it there and then?

I feel a bit stupid about the whole thing and annoyed with myself for not handling it differently.

Tracey 

 

you were out of order announcing the cards you passed and shouting as your dream flop came down, HOWEVER, his behaviour is far worse and, had you reported it instantly he should have been disqualified in my opinion. The guy sounds like an arse and your bad ettiquette has pressed his buttons. he has no place talking like that at a card table

it makes me laugh wahat people get away with in the name of poker.

i've never encountered anything as severe, directly, but have wittnessed this in live play numurous times.

i think theres a line that transcends the poker table and it,s down to the recipiant to differentiate between tilting trash talk and disrespectful insults.

can you imagine playing a stranger at pool in a pub and he calls you a fat c**t, it would go off straight away.

this guy was out of order, its not just your interpretation.

They were both all-in, so saying what she folded is not a problem.

Dingdell, as a woman, you are actually in a far more powerful position to handle this than a man is. I think the best way to handle it would have been to immediately stand up and shout 'WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?' at him. Every eye in the room would then turn towards you, then to him. If there is no response, a 'What's the matter, cat got your tongue?' or 'Why don't you repeat it so everyone can hear?' will make him feel this big.

 *presses thumb and forefinger together to indicate very small amount*

I suppose it all depends on how confrontational you are.

it's terrible ettiquette

if the other guys are all in?

I would have replied,

"The cost of me going on a diet would be minimal, however i believe plastic surgery costs a fortune nowadays......"

Of course this would have led to me leaving the venue in an ambulance......

Seriously i would have reported it straight away to the TD - while i am all for a little trash and table talk during the game, personal insults are out of order - especially the one mentioned in your piece!!

yes, and it's too common.

Tracey,

That's personal abuse and he should of been thrown out of the casino and banned.

What a brave guy, picking on a woman  ;applause; - tosser.  It sounds like you did little wrong but react to the flop, a reaction that would not of resulted in a different outcome in the hand.

I didn't see or hear anything like that on Saturday evening.  I really like Rendezvous Casino in Brighton.  I guess you'll get idiots everywhere.

why?

Yeah he is not a local and he did piss a lot of people off over the weekend.

it's bad etiquette to announce what you passed when players are all in. their emotions are already frought when their tournaments are on the line. comments like "I passed an Ace" or, "I passed hearts" don't help.

If you've passed, keep to yourself what's in the muck.

well for that reason i dont think its very high up on the bad ettiquette list

if someone makes a comment of that nature whilst 2 or more players are all in they dont have to pay any attention.

It has no bearing on the outcome and,for me, is no more than a bearable irritation.

I think you did rather well from not hitting the idiot :)

I hope you have put this in a letter to the General Manager at the Rendevous, and you got the persons name so they can ban the idiot.

It may be bad ettiquette but is not cheating and will not affect the outcome of the game, whereas calling any female a fat c**t  whilst I was at the table would prematurely end your evenings entertainment. That is not me trying to be masculine, just the way it is. Might make me a thug but so be it. Adam I can't believe you would play it down - the first offence (if it is one) cannot justify the abuse Trace got.

I understand what you are saying about announcing your hand even if players are all in - I dont usually - but because it was so trashy compared to the others and it had been a standing joke all night about the 6 7 I didn't think it was inappropriate -but an interesting point of view which has its merits.

However, even if it was the wrong thing to do I dont think I deserved the comment. If that was what had cheesed him off (and he thought I was disappointed because he won the hand until I explained it to him)then he could have voiced his opinion in another way.

I am happy that others are in agreement it wasn't appropriate, I dont like to be seen as a sensitive woman at the tables!

Thanks for your comments guys - I'm definitely going to ask any player to repeat it if it happens again!

Im not playing anything down. announcing your cards isnt even in the same ball park and, if you check my first post you'll see I think he should be disqualified for his behaviour.

if he's irritated by traceys actions he's entitled to tell her to shut up but speaking to her as he did is completely unacceptable and I never said anything to the contrary

Did anyone lose their cool with this twerp?

he cant tell her to shut up.

except for if she was talking total rubbish, i.e arsenal winning the champions league, portsmouth having a decent chance of staying up , that sort of crap

then and only then would it be ok

somebody ought to have done, sounds like a right wazzack

Is it true the player in question went on to win the tournament?

Very good.

Did they make it to their car?

You did nothing wrong Tracey.

I agree you need to make more of it if it ever happens again, I'm also surprised no-one at the table said anything, was this guy built like The Rock?

From his actions to other players it is clear this guy is a dick, I would hope that any card club or casino would ban someone like this sooner rather than later, from his constant bad attitude, it seems he has been allowed to get away with it in otther places for far too long.

bang out of order IMO.  I'd also be interested to know how the other players at the table reacted.  If I'd witnessed it, I'd have reported it myself.

Nobody under any circumstances has to put up with that sot of behavier,if it happens again,you must stop the game,call over the TD,and the manager if required.
Then you must demand,that this unplesent oaf,get asked to leave the cardroom.
(this covers the option that the room has if he's a tables player).
If they are not in agreement with you, you then should, with the aid of the others on the table,ask for your entry fee back,and walk away.
Because your game will have been adversly affected my his rudenesss.

PS. these cretins are everywhare in life,do'nt let them overwhelme you.

That was the really wierd thing - it was if he hadn't said it - there was loads of discussion going on after the last card was shown and everyone was gaily chatting to their neighbours and i think that was why I didn't react at the time - because it only seemed to be me that had been offended by it/or heard it - although he wasn't exactly quiet!  And yes - he was a large guy and intimidating and he had been drinking so i guess I thought it better to keep my head down.

It took me a bit of time to register it and get upset! I have to say if anyone wants to upset me just shout at me - doesn't matter what you say - its the raised voice that really gets to me......just remember that when you're at my table!

Two cans of gas lighter fluid rammed up his exhaust pipe should work great in a spot like this.

It's very difficult to say something about an incident like this without yourself getting angry.

Losing your rag is usually promptly followed by losing your chips, that's this guys game.

For this reason, you have to sometimes just ignore stuff like this. It's sad, but poker and chivarly don't really mix.

Any other situation where you have 9 chaps who don't really know each other, and one calls a woman a fat c**t, you can usually count on one of them to speak up.
This ain't the case at the poker table and is perhaps an indirect factor as to why more women don't play.

I'm ashamed to say that I would be unlikely to spontaneously react to such a comment at the felt. I'd certainly be unable to do so without getting heated.

I dont know - I haven't seen any results. I'm not naming - the guy hasn't had the chance to defend his actions and I believe that everyone should have that chance, I just wanted to know that it would have been ok for me to demand some action over this.

I mean - in card rooms there is swearing all the time - it's just the degree I wasn't sure about.

I think thats why the WSOP go with the blanket F bomb penalty.

It's hard to rule on such a thing consistently.

I have to say the TD was great and told me I should have called them immediately - my own fault - they have ways of dealing with it and he would have been warned immediately. But it was a bit like being in a car crash - it's not until afterwards that the shock sets in and you think -WHAT?

brutaly honest

Hi Trace,

First, imho you did nothing wrong.

Second, please don't worry about being too sensitive, God help us all when there are no sensitive women left

Third, the next time YOU think someone is being abusive, ask the dealer to inform the TD, never mind what anyone else thinks

Forth, put it behind you, and rest assured that one day soon, he will upset the wrong person

and some unexpected will thump him

I think it might be me - I'm always a bit behind (with my cards and emotions) and now I'm angry.

I was tempted as I left on Monday to buy him a bar of soap and give it to him in front of the other players so he could wash his mouth out - but it seemed a bit girly.......I want to be on his table next time  ;cheerleader; I can't wait!!

alright , i admit it , it was me!!!

c'mon then whos first?

Perhaps a tad chauvanistic, I know women don't need men to protect them.

While that is true, it's also true that many women still like to take advantage of their femininity and the priviliges it grants them.

Why not, you're all princesses and deserve a little lookin' after.





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 0:-)  Bless!  :D

Its not chivalry, its common decency and it does have a place in poker.     Players get heated and call TDs over about almost everything at the table and if people can argue the toss when dividing up a multi-way pot they can sure as hell tell a bloke who is out of order to shut it, or call over the TD to do it for them.

I suspect if the guy was <11 stone a few more people would have heard it.  

Weird, we are having simultaneous arguments here.....!

There is a lot of innuendo in this thread, & we don't allow flaming on blonde.

But the incident was reported to me by 6 or 7 different peeps, & was presumably overheard by those at the table.

It's either true, or it's not. If it's untrue, several people owe an apology to the accused. If it''s true, the accused needs to apologise for a comment which, albeit said whilst (I'm told) drunk, is completely out of order.

As everyone can work out who the accused is, me may as well say who it as - Luke Patten.

Luke is more than welcome to come on here & defend his actions, refute them, or apologise.

I was not present when the alleged incident took place, but it would appear that everyone in the Casino was aware of it. I have no idea how many peeps heard it first hand.

But I do know it was one of the most weird Finals I have ever witnessed. Not a word was spoken to Luke by any of the Finalists & there was a disticnct "atmo".

We need to eradicate improper conduct in Poker.

If Luke is innocent, he is more than welcome to defend himself on blonde, & I wil happily apologise for naming him. But everyone is alluding to Luke - "the winner", "large bloke" etc,  - let's stop beating about the bush. I know we don't normally get personal on blonde, but I see this as a very special case. DingDell is furniture on blonde, very much one of us, & if she's been treated so badly, I think we, the blondes, need to support her.

As an aside, the word in the Casino on Sunday evenng was that we would all club together & buy Vinni in for the next Tourney that Luke plays, & see what happens when Vinni gets some of that treatment......!

Is that the same Luke Patton that played Rugby League?

He's a big lad.

this guy was bang out of order, i thnk thats been established.

but this just isnt the same as if you saw a girl getting hassled in a pub or other public place.

people get away with murder with what they say and do in the name of poker.

tony g at the final table of the french ept i think absoloutly ruined all the other guys.

he said some very near the mark things but always said to the exiting players" all i was saying was in poker, no disrespect meant"

the very learned jonny vegas said theres no place for a man with morals in poker.

i'm not saying what the guy said was ok but i can understand why knowone at the table intervined.

so very true :)

Pot, Kettle, Black

oh not that big then if vinni can sort him out

remember where i am if you need a premiership class sorter outer

Who is Vinni - where is he I'll pay his buy in!  :D

Just shout Bitty Trace.. and he'll come running..(Vinnie that is)

if this is true (and im not doubting dingdell for one minute) then this guy is bang out of order!

trash talk at tables i can handle but when it gets personal and the C word is used that is disgusting aimed at a guy let alone a woman.

i cant believe at least one of the other guys at the table didnt pull him up for it, i certainly would and cant understand why others didnt. there are ways to sort things out without violence so his size is irrelevant and if that dont work you whack him  :D

rise above it trace, forget it and enjoy playing your poker.

guys like this get there come-uppence in the end!

What are your feelings on the use of the R word?

RR

 :D :D :D the "R" word is completly acceptable especially myself for the 4000th time  :D

a term of endearment to you all ;D

I use the C workd quite a bit in a jokinly sort of way.  I would be most angry if some clown called be a fat C**t at a poker table and I would go as far to say I'd probably batter 7 shades of S***e out the clown who attempted it.  There is no need for getting personal with people.  Trash talk I can take but when it stopps to this level someone has to taks a stand.

I was there but missed this incident itself. However i was around when he later had an arguements with other players. I am sorry but the guy is a **** i have no time for him. Its true on the final it was dead silent, all game. I have never seen a final like it before no-one was enjoying it, there was barely any poker played.

It's true though that we were discussing when he will get a smack, it was unanimous that we need Barry to sort this fool out!

Is hitting him the answer? I always though a punch-up was the last refuge of the incompetent.

Surely it'd be better just to stab the c**t.  ;goodvevil;

I just hope he picks up a collection of casino's he is barred from!!

And no not just because he keeps winning!

i gather this guy is not invited to the next blonde bash then?? :D

only one thing more humilating than getting hit by a female infront of your mates and thats getting the heebeejeebees knocked out of you by some poor sod in a wheelchair

Cant believe u didnt sort him out Flushy u wimp!

LOL!

I feel Mr Patten is in for a torrid time in his next live tournament.

Just to clarify...I was joking. ;scarymoment;

Stabbing is bad, especially if you don't know the fella.

C'mon Tank.  Guns for show, knives for a pro.... and all that.

 ;D

One incident I DID personally witness was between Mr Patten & Luke Smith.

Mr Patten Raises 12k in the SB, he has 300k of the 590k in play, Luke Smith moves all-in for about 40k.

Mr Patten (confusing, we have two Luke's here) asks the dealer for a count of Luke Smith's all-in. Dealer carefully counts it up. Mr Patten then says "Call" & slams his cards down with a flourish right in front of Luke. Two Aces......

I can't wait for the Poker 425 profile on Luke Patten tomorrow.

i dont know how my name got involved here.

i set of to brighton ,but some one decided to hit my car on the a1 near granthem

had to settle for notts

this man is very out of order ,i cant beleive no one said anything to this man

doesnt matter how big this man is this is a game of poker

if i would have been on the table i would have said some thing whether  it was a man

or woman who he said it to,

thats what is annoying, you get all these peope who play on the net @say all this

rubbish  on line not realising that saying it live can get you into all sorts of problems .

i think personally its down to the sites for letting this happen on line ,

if this was stopped on line then perhaps it wouldnt happen live

as for this man he must feel so big insulting a women like this at a table ,

theres other ways of making people going on tilt .

iv seen this behavour happen twice before ,

ayoung lad in the vic last year insulted an older gent and was nearly strangled

when are people going to learn this is a gentlemans game

i can honestly say youll never hear me going over the top when i lose a hand

There is no Luke Patten Profile tomorrow. This week's show (the one we record tomorrow) will feature Dublin, Brighton will be next week. It will feature a Winner's interview, but no "Profile" as such.

Get him on Tikay, lets hear his side of the story.








This is better than EastEnders.

I think we should hear both sides of the story. Hopefully, he will join up to blonde, so we can have a more balanced debate on this.

Think Dave sums up the only appropriate response on the first page of this thread.

"whereas calling any female a fat c**t  whilst I was at the table would prematurely end your evenings entertainment"

So beautifully written too :-)

But Dave's bigger than me and I might not quite have the balls to give the unpleasant chap an immediate physical reprimand.

But I'd have to say something and it wouldn't be the start of a polite chat about poker etiquette in an all-in situation.

here here

I would like to apologise personally as people like this give poker a bad name. I have to say he would have been chinned if I heard such a thing to a young lady.

Actually annoyed me alot and I wasn't even there.

I have only played once live, and that was at brighton. I got started on in the lobby while I was with my missus. Wasn't impressed and he was thrown about 8 ft in the air over the 5 stairs that leads to the casino.

Id like to say sorry for this ass, whoever he may be.

ah just read the rest of the thread. Mr patten is the supposed culprit.

May your hands always be cack, and this incident doesn't just filter away.

 It is plain and simple. This shouldn't be tolerated and why the hell didn't someone say something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

im shocked that not one person on the table said anything to this guy.good on you for not rising to his level,i could not have held my tongue.

I bet you know Lock Stock word for word... ;D

''Two Minutes Turkish''

A little bit of pain never hurt anyone, if you know what I mean Nemesis.

LMAO!!! ;goodvevil;

I have to say I'm sorry I opened this can of worms now - I wanted to know if I was being sensitive - and thank you I realise I wasn't and I will speak up next time - I'm even looking forward to the next time just oi try it out.  ::)

I have to say in his defence he had definitely been drinking and that does make people do things they wouldn't normally. I don't know him apart from that day and I will always give people the benefit of the doubt - which is why I lay too many hands down!  

If this was a behaviour that was constantly repeated then its definitely not good, if he got heated in the moment and lost control (however bad) and made a mistake which he regretted then it's water under the bridge.

I'm not going to allow anyone to waste my time (for too long) worrying about it - otherwise they have made a negative difference on my life, which is winning twice against me.

Everyone makes mistakes, as long as they learn by them, and I certainly have learnt something, then so be it unless it is repeated. I wasn't there for the second incident, I heard about it later, but if its all alcohol related then its something that may never be repeated. For the final he drank only water........well it looked like water! :)

Thank you for all the opinions, I have the courage to speak out now - i may play at Luton tonight just looking for trouble....guess I'll have to wait for the next time I play Walsall!

back onto he poker incident

wat do we feel should have been the result of this guy's comment

1) headbutt
2) punch
3) kick
4)slight telling off
5) chelsea kiss

just remembered who this guy is ,

played him in southend last year ,tried it on cause there was him and his mate

from colchester both on the table ,but soon shut up when i told him what to do

hes got a few quid to his name ,so he thinks he can talk down to people

the best way to deal with these sort ov people is give em back what they gave you.

hes not a bad bloke when you get to know him .

even though i think it was out of order what he did ,it is not acceptable

I've just realised something really lovely - I am an only child and I've just discovered that I have lots of Blonde big brothers!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

Never had one before, thank you everyone - what a lovely place this is!  :blonde:

lol, this thread has spiraled into the ridiculous.

it started off as a geniune debate on poker ettiqutte and general decorum with a succsesion of truthful and credulous points being made by people who were brave enough to say "this is outragous but 'm not sure i'd get involved".

now everyone wants to do the fella.

chining hims called GBH

i'm sure i'd do the summer in brixton for clumping someone i'd never met before for making a comment to someone else i'd never met.

lol

I have To say Tracey.. I think you handled it very well. Had it of been me I most likley would have now been Banned from the said casino now...Male or not he would have felt the wrath on my tongue.. followed swiftly by my Steaming hot coffee..

Can we set up a Blonde Gang - Can I be the gang leader

Will be like the Bloods and the Cripps.

Vinni you wanna be my sidekick

here here

i dont want to be robin ,i do to much robin lol

vinni i was looking around for you on sunday night but i couldnt see anyone that looked like your picture

Im nearly 26 years old and im not too "manly/masculine" to say that i have never hit any body in my life,
But if i was there then i would of loved my first punch to be on this fella!!

*Spits, grabs crotch and drinks a stella*

lol

lets get the biggest 5 peeps and go on the poker rampage, making sure that slow plays, rudeness and bad table manners are no longer acceptable.

Vinni how tall are you, so i can add you to the gang.

im 6'4 and 17 stone .

Lets get 4 more giants -Nem how tall r u

bolt pp iv never said i would hit anyone ,

i just give them back what they dish out

iv said my piece on this end ov

im 5 /1ish

I think the best way to dish out revenge is winning against anyone with great poker playing.

I for one will be reading more books and getting lessons from Tighty. Violence in not needed, skill and great poker playing is. :cheers:

Before I really regret this thread as half of you get thrown out of casinos countrywide can we agree just to play great poker and win???? After all this is a poker forum!

This was actually one of THREE incidents that we are aware of that happened over the two days, all happening in the Oriel Room at Brighton Casino involving Mr Patten.

The second was when he called the clock on Luke Smith (TheDoc) after under two minutes when he had to decide wether to call an all in holding pocket tens which he raised pre-flop and got one caller, with a queen on the flop against a player that had been on his table for over six hours. Luke (Doc) was clearing playing back through his mind other calls made by the player before making his decision. There were just two tables left at this stage, so the money was coming closer.......

Luke (Doc) was stunned by the call of the clock by Mr Platten and made his point VERY clear to Mr Platten who appoligised. His actually words were "I unreservedly appoligise"

The other incident is when he called a bloke a "Scouse ***"   The '***' is what the arguement was about - the player thought he said "git" while Mr Platten said he said 'bloke' or 'man', I can't remember.    I must say that that incident was incredibly well handled by the TD, Guy Young - she stepped in between them almost instantly, defused the situation as much as she could, and stayed standing between them until the other guy left, which was some time !

Luke (Doc) was speaking to Mr Pattens friend who travels with him, who said that Mr Pattens is "always upsetting people, but is the first to appoligise - its what he does - and it works for him."

Then of course there was the minor incident, that Tikay has already pointed out, of asking for Luke's (Doc) chip count while holding pocket aces before calling - this was on the final table with only seven left.

Both Luke and I didn't hear the abuse thrown at Tracy although we were in the room at the time at another table - and we suspect that if it had been heard then players WOULD of stood up to him. We spoke to Tracey the next morning as they were staying in the same hotel as us - she was clearly upset when she recalled the story.

It IS a shame of course that this happens in poker - or any sport - or in life for that matter. It is VERY difficult to overcome your emotions when this happens and of course probably ruins your tournement. Some people just don't learn.

Good luck in your next tournement Tracey - I hope you get his table again - it will be interesting !

Way to go Tracey. I'm glad you are still able to show tolerance, too. Peeps do daft things when they are drunk, & as a non-drinker, I have to be careful it does not sound like sermonising. But yes, maybe drink was the cause. I hope so. It does not excuse it, but it's easier to understand.

Between them, drink & women are the cause of more than enough trouble. I vote we ban drink, & have twice as many women.

But Vinni's right. A cutting tongue is far better than a swift right hook.

here here dingbell

little missc there was no one there good looking then

never mind we!ll meet some time

tighty is at this point on a plane over the atlantic having a break from poker,  6 beats in a row today was more than enough,  shame i couldn't go with him :(  nobody could babysit  boo hiss

i didnt say you did boss.

i was refering to the thread in general.

i just dont believe anyone would of reacted with the severity that they have poported on this thread.

what a naughty thing to have said to a woman.

serious turn out or not i'm there to play poker and not knowing either of them if i'm honest i dont think i would've cared.

if he started clumping her or something i'd be the first one to jump in.

for an off the cuff drunken comment i'm getting banged up?   not at all boss

mr patten doesnt realise how lucky he is

i know the man in question from liverpool

they dont say things like that to him in his own town

i think this thread has gone to far now ,

lets liven it up

i was there

dawn french has just been arrested trying to board a plane from manchester

with no knickers on ,when she tripped revealing 40lb ov crack

how exactly is it that you got roped into this.

i was gonna suggest getting the a-team on the firm but there just too hard to find.

you the next best thing boss?

I just had my nails done you see....

I would be willing to make the sacrafice...

Rellly? where is he off too?

nyc ;)  i told him they didn't have poker there, he said thats the point of it,  oops  :blonde:

hehe  hope he brings me back a nice pressie :0)

Good on him - he deserves it. I bet a few days of walking through central park will be great - bet he's playing on the net by the end of the week!! :blonde:

I hear they do nice crabs in NYC, perhaps he will bring them back ?

haha very funny kiv :)

Kev - I heard someone who doesn't know you use the word norkage yesterday.......I can't believe a word you invented has become queens english!   (well it was in brighton)

lol kev

WTF is a Chelsea Kiss? All I can imagine is you falling over clutching your face waiting for a red card?

PS

The guy sounds a like a t*** being drunk is no excuse.

now hes gotta get vicky coren to put it on her dictionary show ;)

I was descibed as a norkologist in Dublin LOL , Phil peters was curious as to what a norkologist studied, im sure he believed me when i told him that i had a degree in norkology from bristol university :D :D :D

I have always been impressed with your studiousness in this subject - always continually studying and updating your findings......an excellent student....with a thirst for continual development.  I am in awe (and a great little black number) if you want to continue your studies...... :blonde:

if someone did this to me at a table i would firstly congratulate him on his 20/20 vision and then smash his nose open, sounds fair enough

whats going on here kev new bird

I am in Colchester, wanna meet half way, or do you go all the way ??

all the way big boy

Kev - its a good offer from the banker - you might want to consider it - you  never know when you'll get this opportunity again.......

open the box kev