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Oh for a Roket Ronny in the final...

35 mins avg per frame.

Slow, tactical and more importantly boring - Ebdon even continued to play needing 2 snookers and just the pink and black!!!

This is not fun - if only O'Sullivan had the patience and temperment to match his ability, we wouldnt have to watch these two boring guys in the final.

This is a great game .  I really like these two guys. They don't have the arrogance of O'sullivan. It is nice to see someone else win for a change.

Its called not giving in...something Mr Osulkyvan did yesterday.....as for the standard, it has been great. Great snooker players play great snooker, that includes potting balls, playing safe and getting snookers when they need them and never giving up. These two players have played the best snooker this week, they may not have been the most fluent potters or break builders but to a real snooker fan potting as many balls as you can is not the be all and end all, its far more intricate than that.

I couldn't agree more Bobby, great match.  ;iagree; :goodpost:

what about entertainment???

its not all about grinding out a win and a tactical battle.

It must be horses for courses but when i watch snooker on TV i want to be entertained, and these two arent capable of that.  No flair, no arrogance, no personality.

Everything Higgins says about the modern game is absolutely correct....

Oh for a Higgins V O'Sullivan final.

And yes they may be the best players of the week but thats coz they have bored their opponents into submission.  Dott's positioning at times in the semi and fial has been atrocious and that's not just me saying it but the commentators.

The way Ebdon killed a game against O'Sullivan a couple of yeras ago by slowing it right down etc almost made him give up.  I hope for the sake of the game, he wont let these grinders get to him

Some of Ebdons tactical play is amazing to watch. It is entertaining just to see someone try that hard.  Dott is also a fighter. 

It is interesting to see how different people see things....in those first 6 frames there were 6 50 breaks. If Ronnie had done that you would be loving it.

I'd rather see someone playing for two snookers on the pink,(a situation which I would always continue),

Than someone not even try for one snooker on the brown, which Ronnie did twice in his semi-final.

I would also take Alex Higgins's comments on the modern game with a pinch of salt.

Alex once played an exhibition in Nottingham's Victoria Club and urinated in a plant pot mid-session.

Now if you want to call that flair.........

its supposed to be boring , its snooker ffs

Ok, your right, I'll stop enjoying Ebdon and Dott at once

Alex or John?

Its a great point Ralph....when Davis was in his prime people said he was boring and Higgins was great, when Hendry was in his prime Jimmy was great and people seem to ignore all the faults and frailties of O Sullivan but still say he is great....i dont understand, Ebdon has made 3 finals here by playing superb allround snooker, what makes that poor and O Sullivans faults great?

As long as Dott wins I'm not caring!

what is snooker?

Waiters playing "posh pool"

Ebdon gettng his ass spanked.

LARVE-IT

Is it true that they have to play another seven frames tonight ?

Someone said that there were to be ten frames in this session, if so it's going to be a late one.

thats what you get from slow boring unadventurous players

I believe that this session was going to be ten frames whoever was playing  ::)

like watching crufts BORING

Nahh mate its great stuff.    If you want boring, tune into Cricket.  I have tried watching it on C4, it is deadly boring.  :D

sooner paint the living room

Dull, dull, depressing, dull, boring, sleep typing here and turning over, chess on the other channel i hope

lol. not impressed mate  :D

lol

I honestly loved to watch it years ago but it is so bad these days.

it was only 10 frames cos they were to slow in the afternoon and only manages 6 so your statement saying there wouldve been 10 whoever was playing is incorrect  ::)

gotta be the worst final for years. never seen so many easy balls missed :D

We need Steve Davis back to liven this up.  ;goodvevil;

proper snooker at 1 am in the morning.....perfect.

Don't you think it adds to the drama when balls are missed? It would be boring in the first player in cleared up every time

Im impressed with the snooker, last time i got 2 balls was when i trod on the rake !!!

i agree red when it gets to the deciding frames not in the first session.

would be nice to see either of them string 4 pots together.


hopefully ebdon will up his game tomorrow as he cannot play worse and my moneys on him after i doubled him with spurs to beat bolton

god forbid the best player, thus most deserving always wins!!

arrogance????

why dont you lot go get your slippers and pipes out and watch the good life

Homer Voice



Felicity Kendall................

Dott is really doing well now. It is gonna be tough for Ebdon to fight back now. 

Quite an enjoyable match! Hopefully Dooty got it sewn up!

I hope Dott wins too.

Big decision tonight. WBA vs West Ham or snooker in background while I'm online :)

how long have they been playing this frame ? seems like forever !

Just over an hour.

What time will it finish if it goes the distance ?

i think they should with-hold the trophy this year, both players are just too scared or cautious to take any chances.

the classic "tight/weak" player profile.

well im enthralled by it, all the missed balls are far more exciting than someone clearing up in one visit.

I believe that's because it actually has been forever.

Now the longest ever at the crucible

I'm getting really fed up with the commentary, all they're doing is slagging off the 2 players after every shot

did anyone take ebdon when he was 15-7 down,just wondering??

what score is it now?, i cant watch as mad is tuned in to the matrix

I'm not saying it isnt tense kev, but its they way they are playing it - that last frame for example, Dott needed one red to win the frame (probably) - instead of going for the pot all out, he played the percentage shot, on the basis that he if he missed he was going to leave it safe.

Thats quite frankly, to use a ITB saying, RUBBISH !!

15-12 Dott

dott will be cacking himself now

13-15 Dott,game on!!!lol

I agree Kev.  Looking tough for Dott now though.  He looks worried

Dott is still 8/13 on Betfair

I wonder what odds Ebdon was at the end of this afternoon's 1st session when he was 12-5 down?

think you could have got around 20/1 on betfair

:o :o :o

Dott is 2/7 now

im able to watch now, c,mon dottie!!

dott will hang on, hope its a final frame job.

Quick bet on Ebdon!

what price?

Top bokking there Nem  :o

£2,700,000 has been bet on this match on Betfair.

and only £200,000 to the winner...

Why do'nt they do a deal, like we do......get it over with,say they shake on £140,000/£110,000. then I can go to bed.

Wonder what the nugget and parrot would have to say, if they just stopped playing and  chopped the money,then played on for the trophy,and went through the curtasy of a formal prizegiving cemonry.

That's how its done in poker.

Oh of course, they only paid a minimal entry fee, and had a professional body, working on their behalf to tie up,appearence money and an added sponcers purse.

Now thats the way to do it!!! 8)

both players would want the same deal eric "you have all the money, iwill have the title" stalemate

great frame for win for dott, that could be it

Now why did'nt I think of that?

Not roolly o propor totlo of ot wos obtoonod bo woy of o dool

toko yoor crozy tolk too onothor throod tonk

Sorry

all over, another scottish world champion!!

I'da smacked the little git round the table, talk about a rubdown.

Both nice guys. I am pleased for him though

Showed no class whatsoever, ebdon should have whacked him with his cue :)

That was unfortunate, showed a distinct lack of class. hopefully he will learn from it.

It's great that one person isn't dominating this tournament like in recent years.

Well played Dott

it would be quite ironic if ebdon done that seeing as he was the master at it

I disagree with both of you. This is the pinnacle of his life/career. Emotions are running high and Ebdon understands that.

I thought it was a great match both nice guys.
Dott is so chuffed with his win wtg
shelly xx

I agree Nomosos ,

Ebdon used to do that as well.  It is part of sport.

I was never keen on S. Murphy. After the chalk incident, I thought he was a right prat.  It is good to see a modest, normal and down to earth guy win it. 

I agree. Snooker can be so straight laced, when someone has achieved something of this magnitude, unbridled jubliation is a normal reaction. Let it out!

but as dull as dishwater.

A terrible final from 2 boring unadventurous guys.

Some of the snooker in the final session was a disgrace.  Dott bottling it and taking on percentage shots like making the black safe when he was on fram ball!!!  What was that about?

Terrible positioning most of the evening session, wayward long potting and terrible escapes from snookers.  In fact it was only when he was threatened to have the frame conceded that we saw Dott actually play a proper shot.

Its just not entertainment - mistake after mistake..  That's ok if at least it was thrilling but for FFS it was the longest match in history, i actually turned off at 16-13 but at that point, Dott's highest break in the whole final was a whopping 67!!!  That is hardly world champion material.

Like i say, people want diferent things from a match.  Personally i like to be entertained, not bored to sleep, which is exactly what happened.

At the end of the match i would agree, but the guy kissed the trophy and was shouting and punching the air BEFORE he had won, disgraceful.

Personally, I think that it's about time someone gave Ebdon a rubdown.

He's dished out plenty and this is the first time I can recall him being on the receiving end.

What goes around comes around......

At the time he kissed the trophy, Ebdon needed 7 snookers :o

It was actually most un-ebdon-like of him not to try and get them either.....

What a let down.

I didn't see Shot of the Championship, The Amazing Bogdan, Mike Massey, a replay of Ronnie's 147 or anything decent this year.

Dott is a poor ambassador for snooker IMO. He acted like a moron when he won it and he is also the lowest standard World Champion I remember seeing. Even John Parrott wasn't this bad!

After he won his 15th frame in the final, his highest break was 65! Give me a break. What a poor year for snooker.

If Dott "acted like a moron", Ebdon has been "acting like a moron" for years.

funny thing is , this is the first comp Dott has ever won LOL LOL 

i think dott is the lowest standard world champ since mmm errr EBDON maybe?

I think "used to act like a moron" is more appropriate. He's actually a complete gent these days.

The year Ebdon won it he beat Steven Hendry in the 2nd closest contested final ever, scoring a lot of centuries along the way.

That's not quite the same as Dott with his highest break of 65 in the final. :D

I agree Ebdon wasn't the greatest World Champion but he was miles ahead of Dott!

Apparenty Dulux want to give Ebdon a £50,000 per year sponsorship deal. They have suggested he is boring.  I can't see it myself.  :D

It's because someone told him to "get on with it - it's like watching paint dry!"

PMSL! :D :D :D

What about last years winner. Quite possibly the most boring man in Snooker.

The most overconfident too.

He even speaks about himself in the third person. "If Sean Murphy loses it's because he didn't perform" - have a word.

The fact is that professional snooker is in decline having lost most of their sponsorship post tobacco.

Maybe the last two year's world championships have reflected that.

Agreed. Apparently the prizes were lower than last year.

Maybe. But there are some great youngsters coming through the ranks.

Yea Murphy is abit of a prat. Even the other Pro's thought so after the Maguire chalk incident

what happened with the chalk?

Maguire forgot his chalk at the start of the match.  Murphy complained and the ref docked Maguire a frame.  He didn't want him to go and get it from his dressing room.  Whatever people have to say about Ebdon and Dott, neither would have been so unsporting.  They are proper competitors. Murphy isn't in my opinion

Unreal.

In the last 4 world championships Graeme Dott has been beaten by the runner up, been runner up himself, beaten by a semi finalist and won the comp, that isnt the worst standard ever, it is top class play.

what a  clown, what tourny was this?

totesport grand prix.  I think.   I just tried to look on google.  I just typed in Stephen Maguire v's Shaun Murphy..forgotten chalk.. 

If other players ie Higgins, Hendry, O'Sullivan, Williams, were on form he'd have no chance.

In the recent Malta cup Dott beat O Sullivan 5-0, and Higgins 6-5, he then lost in the final to Hendry 9-7, he beat O sullivan 17-11 at the weekend. In the longer match tournaments he is one of the best in the world as his world championship record proves.

He's just won his first tournament. Ever!

So did last years winner in the same comp, Matthew Stevens has never won a ranking event. This does not make them bad players does it. When Joe Johnson won the world championship he had never won a match on TV before that event, does that mean he isnt entitled to win the comp too?

But how does he compare to Joe Davis?

He isnt in the same class but that doesnt make him a bad player or the worst champion ever either just because some players have in the past shown better form than him.

"So did last years winner in the same comp, Matthew Stevens has never won a ranking event."


Sorry to but in but Mathew Stevens has won a ranking event


2003 UK Championship - Came from 4-0 down v Hendry - cant remember exact score but may have been 10-8 - was at York

I'm not sure, how does Hendry or Steve Davis compare to Joe Davis for that matter.

How can you compare players from different eras playing with different equipment (especially today's snooker balls) ?

Gurnfish, you are right I forgot he did win a ranking event after 'only' winning the masters which is a non ranking event previously.I think the score was 10-8 or 10-9.

Ok he has only won one ranking event, that doesnt mean he is a bad player either or that he cannot win the world champioship because he hasnt done it before. At the end of the day Dott played the best snooker for the duration of the comp, he thoroughly deserved to win.

On another note I had a chat with Smokin Steve at the wekend about the similarity between the pressure and mental skills that snooker and poker have in common. Could this be the reason that some of the top snooker players have had some good results in poker comps?

Bobby - I was only knit picking.

My opinion (for what its worth) on the Dott thing is that he is not in the same league as your Rockets, Hendrys, Higgins etc but that makes his achievement even greater.

For someone of his limited ability (unfair but true) to have won the biggest tournament there is means that he must have given maximum effort, commitment, shown good temperament etc. These qualities are vital in all sports.

I am amazed that he managed to win it but I do think the reaction to his participation in the final (and subsequent victory) has been appalling.

I believe you mean nit-picking GF, a speciality of mine  :D

very well put.

I've never said he doesn't deserve to win or that he is a bad player - he's just the worst champion I can remember. I never remember seeing someone win the final after making a highest break of 65 over EIGHTEEN frames! Therefore I don't think it's unfair to say he's not as good as some others because, quite simply, he isn't.

Of course he is entitled to win the comp and big up to him for doing it against the odds. He is World Champion. I doubt he'll ever be World Number 1 though, or top 4 for that matter.

like i said at the beginning - its horses for courses.

Personally he might have been the best over the week (tho that was hard to believe by some of his play in the final) but the fact is both these players are boring and snooker will have a big problem if the game just gets filled up with robots with no personality and flair at the table.

Having said that, because of the need for patirnce and a strong mentality - this boring mode in snooker actually does very well - the flair players like Alex Higgins, White and O'Sullivan struggle because they dont have the right temperment.

In fact it is testament to O'Sullivan's ability that he has won so many tourneys - considering his poor temperment and his tilt factor when he gets frustrated by players slowing the game down.  He is without doubt the best out there by a mile in snooker ability but unfortunately it is more than just that you need to win a big tournamnet like the World Championships

I thought that these tournaments were all about winning.

He is the best natural potter for sure, he is not the best at safety, winning scrappy frames, digging in when in trouble nor does he have the strongest mentality yet in your eyes this makes him the best yet players that have all those attributes but are not the best potters are 'boring'.

As we said before different people look for different things.

It's not like a poker tournament.

Dott needed more than luck to see him through. I have enoromous repect for his nitty gritty style and sheer dog mindedness.

As to the kiss, to say it was a disgrace is going a bit too far. This was the longest final in history, it meant the world to him and he bloody deserved it. Who can blame him for show-boating a little.

Sure, for the TV viewers it would have been nice if he showed a little personality prior to that, but he was there to win a snooker match, not win the hearts and minds of groupies.

That is what he did, and that is why he's the champ. You can't argue with results. Dott is not a disgrace, he is the World Snooker Champion.

Let the others tell of their bad beats, this guy was the winner. (I'm a little pisched, but just feel you shouldnae trash the guy as he deserves better)

In the final frame of the 1985 final Dennis Taylor kissed the trophy and said a little prayer mid frame and it is remembered as a great part of that final but nobody said that was disrespectful, they said it was high drama.

Mmm had a quick scan through this thread. Bit of a snooker buff on the quiet. Used to play with higgins in wishaw and we used to play against dott in the league. I think the snooker was scrappy but fully committed. If you have ever played any sort of controlled sport in a live enviroment in front of 2000 spectators and with the tv cameras and lights on you. You would then realise how incredibly difficult it is to hold yourself together. Dott showed his B*lls when he produced the 60 odd clearence to pinch the frame after he had lost 6 on the bounce. The man deserved to win the tournament based on his combination of skill and determination as well as his huge gonads. Just my 2p worth.

he showed his emotion, let him get away with it this once.

as far as bad ettiqutte goes what murphy done with the chalk incident was a right liberty, got what he deserved as maguire smashed him in that match.

Bump