[get off the fence]

One I don't have any garden ornaments under a £1 so I cannot answer that question.

I shall however be going to renew my gun licence on Monday and whence it is done I shall have to purchase another shotgun as I gave up shooting sometime ago. I shall also be purchasing a hound dog and a rocking chair.

This little thread has sparked some debate so it will be interesting to see if those who have so far taken part will get off the fence and answer the following:

Should Peter Sutcliffe have been allowed to spend the rest of his life in prison or should his life have been terminated.

Its a simple Yes or No question

Interesting to see the response if any.

1. Yes I probably would be as the odds of been picked are pretty good.

2. If I had killed the people that stole my van it would have been my right as they had no right to be on my land causing unnecessary danger to my family. If you come onto my property with the intent of doing wrong then be prepared to take the consequences.

If you do not think the death penalty should exist then it is a correct assumption that you agree mass murders should live, you cant have it both ways.

I am entitled to my opinion – whether you like it or not.
Plus Red Dog is correct – no appeal system – the trouble is people are quick to give opinion without in the majority of cases having experienced it.

1.   I have been inside and therefore I have experienced it fact

2.   Instead of saying there should be no death penalty say why you don’t think there should be.

3.   Someone explain the benefits of keeping mass murders locked up for 30 -40 years instead of terminating them.

4.   I have fought for my country, seen mate’s end up with no legs, no arms and other events that I won’t describe. Some of these guys are now in their late fifties and destitute. I would rather support them than keep mass murders in jail.

5.   I respect other people’s right to use free speech and to debate whether they are for and against something that I might strongly disagree with.

6.   Legalising drugs – the vast majority of drug users are not addicts they are recreational users (anybody who has worked in the City will know that) – even out in stickland there are many recreational users. Pharmacists already supply addicts with methadone so why not let them sell drugs such as cocaine and others to the recreational market. Smoking kills more people the drugs.

7.   The bottom line is I am trying to create debate  if the forum doesn’t like it I am sure you can ask Tikay to block my account.

Forgot to add - legislation of all drugs as this would kill off a lot of petty crime and organised crime would have to come up with something else.

Having served time in my younger years for an offence that I am not sorry for committing – you can’t let people take liberties, I found my time inside to be quite fulfilling – I learnt to play chess, was given an education in some life skills which helped me in later years and still do today.

There was already overcrowding and so called gangs and drugs – even back then. But you make your own decisions as a man.
 
I wasn’t happy to be sent down as I felt that my act had been self-protection – but when sentenced I accepted it – by the second day I had lost any chance of an early release due to a minor scuffle with the so called gangs. You should accept responsibility for your own actions.
 
In my twenties, thirties and forties I use to have mates that were career villains – they excepted that if they robbed a bank and got caught they would do time – if they dealt drugs and got caught they would do time – the guys who dealt in drugs never touched drugs – nobody was in a gang it was just a loose collection of blokes who knew each other.

Most interesting if you asked any of them what they thought of the sentencing in this country they would all say it was too soft and their views on rapists and women beaters and serial murders were that they should be chucked behind bars for life or worse.

I am a strong believer that one has the rights to protect their own property and family within that property if this means someone’s demise so be it.

Interesting to see some people obviously think the likes of Peter Sutclifee should enjoy the rest of his life.

There are currently around 90 lifers who will not be released and will die in prison. The average cost of keeping a lifer in prison is around £200,000 per annum, though government figures say it is much lower – they do not take into account the cost of the free rental space of the cell – heating and water – free food – free television – free Wi-Fi – free education – free counselling – free clothing and paying them a wage for making whatever.

So that’s a £18 million a year – which I am sure could be spent on better things. Does somebody like Peter Sutcliffe, deserve such good hospitality.

We are far too lenient IMO – in general with all crime committed – sure there can be exceptional circumstances, for example if I had caught the guys that had stolen my van in the act on my property and beaten them to death – I would expect to be exonerated as I was protecting my property on my property.

We need to bring in stronger tariffs and no parole – you do the crime and serve the time.

And yes there will be miscarriages of justice but that is life.

These countries also have massive debts which are getting larger everyday - you cannot keep kicking the can down the road - eventually the debt will have to be paid - unless you write it off

Not necessarily as Independence could create a kingdom that becomes united.

I was brought up in very poor family - some days there was only enough food for us kids - but my mum did not resort to prostitution or stealing she made the best of what she had.

When times are hard people suffer its been a fact since time immemorial 

1. Give Scotland its independence also N.I and Wales if they wanted it.
2. Bring back the Death Penalty.
3. Open up the country to more migrants.
4. Lower the VAT threshold.
5. Nationalise  any industry that was a proven failure in private hands.

Just to kick it off.

Austerity - is not a reason it is an excuse - why are there so many people in prison in the first place.

Also there are millions of people suffering in the UK with a shortage of finances but the vast majority muddle through without stealing.

The MotherFuc*ers 5 blokes that just nicked my van at 3.57am today. When reported the old bill just said if it turns up we will let you know but do not hold out much hope.

Not even interested that I have the whole event on CCTV.

Then front page of The Times today = Thousands of Prisoners to get out early - what the f**k is going on in this fine country.

Sent Tom your assessment - this is his reply  11.00pm

Thanks for this Mike,

A pretty accurate assessment really! Next time... come on Toosey indeed.

Hope all well?

Tom.

Nice report 4k - hope you enjoyed your day