Hero call ftw.

You don't have to worry about running out of chips because you can buy a few more.

Don't like this thinking. Bram may have insta rebought anyway and spewed 1k by now

It's only 1500+1500 cheeky George

Sunny come to Melbourne instead!

maybe flat call and see a cheap flop?

[just]

early in $50 cubed no history with villain and even hero hasn't done any spew yet

blinds 15/30 (have to type out hh sry)

villain limps from early out of ~2k stack
hero raises to 120 from cutoff out of 3k stack with   
only villain calls

flop:    
villain checks, hero bets 200, villain calls

turn:   
villain checks, hero bets  450, villain calls

river:   
villain shoves for ~1.3k, hero ??

the pot on the river was slightly more than his stack. if villain checked river i would of probs bet again but dunno wtf he has here, can't be just JT ffs

came up with Ian Huntley when i was thinking of someone else...

This thread is sooo poor it deserves to be deleted.

U were number 1 as well Stu

You used to be my homey, now your my only, number 1.

Little Bedi chuckles all round.

i don't understand why you're number 1

Full Tilt Poker Game #17291448129: $25,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (129452828), Table 23 - 500/1000 Ante 125 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:24:19 ET - 2010/01/03
Seat 1: kid_bramm (50,898)
Seat 2: Texas Study (18,253)
Seat 3: maw68 (15,393)
Seat 4: WMACHINE (32,688)
Seat 6: b3ou2la (41,621)
Seat 7: voff voff voff (90,740)
Seat 9: reelhugefish (32,357)
kid_bramm antes 125
Texas Study antes 125
maw68 antes 125
WMACHINE antes 125
b3ou2la antes 125
voff voff voff antes 125
reelhugefish antes 125
maw68 posts the small blind of 500
WMACHINE posts the big blind of 1,000
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kid_bramm [ ]
b3ou2la folds
voff voff voff raises to 2,400
reelhugefish folds
kid_bramm calls 2,400
Texas Study folds
maw68 folds
WMACHINE calls 1,400
*** FLOP *** [ ]
WMACHINE checks
voff voff voff bets 4,750
kid_bramm calls 4,750
WMACHINE folds
*** TURN *** [ ] []
voff voff voff checks
kid_bramm bets 9,999
voff voff voff calls 9,999
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
voff voff voff has 15 seconds left to act
voff voff voff bets 11,880
kid_bramm has 15 seconds left to act ?

villain was playing pretty aggro as was hero, the first time he raised on my button i 3b him with 60bb eff and he stuck it in my eye hence the preflop flat as opposed to a "greencards v3b".

when he bet river the pot was like 38k with me having a 33k stack, i was thinking of shoving if checked to. however this 1/4 pot blocking bet i wasn't really expecting and was really confused by it.

i think he gets AJ in on the turn and i think he bets more with a flush fwiw. its a $30rebuy on the bubble i should probably also state (39 left 36 paid)

if utg is such a tard then just 3b with intentions of getting it in vs him

fold pre >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>shove pre>>>>>>>>>>>>call pre

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why does it matter tho......skolsuper are u the player that i played this hand against ??

No, it's just that if you really don't understand the shove with AJ, any further hand analysis on this thread is pretty much like rearranging deckchairs on the titanic. I'll try to explain..

Live players' view:

You can either get it in good or get it in bad. Good players get it in good. If you do get it in good, for example correctly putting your opponent on AK and calling a 5bet shove with pocket threes or getting AA vs KK for 9bbs, you get a 1. When you get a 1, you deserve to win 100% of the pot, anything less is a suck-out.

If you get it in bad, like the AJ in your hand or the kings in the earlier example, you get a 0. Internet players often get it in bad and rely on getting lucky hitting 20 to 1 outers to make money, however there are less outdraws in live poker so they struggle.

Analysed this way, your TT is a call, he's often overplaying two big cards like AK (big pair vs 'just a drawing hand', that's a 1 TYVM) or maybe shoving a smaller pair. In the unlikely event he has a bigger pair then you get a 0, try harder next time, maybe look at him and see if he looks like he has a big pair. Definitely more 1s than 0s though. However, you're never calling with A9 or KQ or anything worse than AJ so he never gets 1s, only 0s, so surely he must be bluffing. You've shown strength by backraising him so his bluff is a terrible play.

Good players' view:

Poker isn't so black and white and rarely is a bet purely as a bluff or purely for value. When you make an all in bet, your equity in the hand is made up of two components, your fold equity and your expectation when called. Fold equity is the amount you win if your opponent folds, multiplied by the chance that they will fold. Your expectation when called depends on the relative strength of your hand and your opponents calling range. So, in your hand:

Your calling range is roughly 88+ AQ and AK judging by your level of disdain for the AJ shove. Against this range AJo is 31.1% (from Pokerstove, if you don't have it, get it.) This range is only 5.6% of hands so even if you only raise like 1 in 15 of your other hands, that's still 6.3% of the time, meaning the chance you will fold to a shove is about 55% (the ratio of good hands to bad hands).

The amount he will win if you fold is roughly 25k (his 5.2k, your 16.7k, and the blinds + antes). His showdown equity with AJ is 31.1% of 135k, minus the 62k it costs him to shove, which equals -20k.

55% of the time he wins 25k, 45% of the time he loses 20k (on average), taken together his total expectation for the shove is +4.75k. As you can see the reason that this is a positive expectation play is because of the times you fold, so in that way his shove is as a bluff. However if he holds 72o instead of AJo, his expectation vs your range is only 20.4%, which then makes his expectation a loss of 1.75k, so his shove is also based on the strength of his hand and is therefore, in part, a 'value shove'.

Hope this helps.

i miss the days when AJo was a bluff shove for me

thread needs more ROT

tbh poker rooms have quite alot of background noise what with chatter and chip riffling so the noise leakage from monster beats goes unnoticed at the table, obv go change them for the apple exclusive white pair if you get a chance tho!

i dislike generalisations but calling pre and folding when we make our under-repped hand here does seem kinda bad. playing oop to aggressive players in 3bet pots is ftl tho

Open jam pre, as played i guess you have to fold.

+1

Full Tilt Poker Game #16991148758: $1K Monday (121973834), Table 8 - 10/20 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:08:48 ET - 2009/12/21
Seat 1: overbe777 (4,990)
Seat 2: AlexandraPaul (4,970)
Seat 3: bobeads (5,560)
Seat 4: Bighoops00 (4,910)
Seat 5: ferragamoash (5,010)
Seat 6: kid_bramm (4,970)
Seat 7: Zolee21 (4,970)
Seat 8: PushAndfOld (4,760)
Seat 9: reteps (4,860)
reteps posts the small blind of 10
overbe777 posts the big blind of 20
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kid_bramm [  ]
AlexandraPaul has 15 seconds left to act
AlexandraPaul folds
bobeads raises to 40
Bighoops00 folds
ferragamoash has 15 seconds left to act
ferragamoash calls 40
kid_bramm has 15 seconds left to act
kid_bramm raises to 200
Zolee21 folds
PushAndfOld folds
reteps has 15 seconds left to act
reteps folds
overbe777 folds
bobeads folds
ferragamoash calls 160
*** FLOP *** [ ]
ferragamoash checks
kid_bramm bets 250
ferragamoash has 15 seconds left to act
ferragamoash raises to 500
kid_bramm calls 250
*** TURN *** [ ] []
ferragamoash has 15 seconds left to act
ferragamoash bets 1,700
kid_bramm ?

first 5 minutes of the tourney, no history, hero hasn't played a hand yet, villain limped 77 utg and checked down on Qxxxx, also got a gl message from Roy the Oracle Winston (lol) apart from that no idea who he is.

should probs also state that original opener had raised 6 of the first 9 hands and pretty much took them all down preflop (one time a flop was played out he showed 44)

pot is only 1400 somethin when he bets 1700 but yeh is this a happy jam/meh jam/insta fold/sigh fold?