cant get that to open.  Says it wants $9 to open it.  snooker frame betting can have loads of money matched at very low prices close to the end of the frame ie when the guy has scored enough to win the frame and the other guy needs snookers to win.  very unlikely that would be a dump unless he did it pre game when the market was empty.  If the times dont add up to when the frames were roughly then it would be a dump.  It would be impossible to do this in running and gtd the money would transfer from one account of his to another.  only way to dump would be pre game.  There would be no money in these markets pre game and a typical empty market where dumping could occur.  Although its a coin flip who wins the frame anyway in most cases so thinking about it it rules that out.  Maybe he was just trying to 'buy' a bit of money at short odds. 

flops - no idea who you are in real life but this work on teh account you have done is amazing.  vwp sir

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Quote from: arbboy on Today at 04:29:24 PM
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one of the top traders in the whole of the UK

orly?
 

 
just to clear this up i am no where near one of the top traders in the uk volume wise.  My bankroll is no where near big enough for anyone to claim this.  However i make a decent living out of it.


Wow you sounded down to earth for once.

Just a tip arrboy, when u r quoting just hit reply then scroll down and click on the 'insert quote' button, u don't need to copy and paste. Oh and obv write your input under the (quote) bit.

Also you can just hit quote on the person's actual post which will get you to the reply bit, simples.

Just looks nicer and is easier to read

Nico i dont want to be down to earth or arrogant - all along all my posts have been is 100% factual.  Like someone who posted on the bf forum said arbboy is hardly a hero he has simply pointed something out that was pretty obvious to most people.  I am not trying to give it the big one or make a name for myself.  I have no need to do that.

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one of the top traders in the whole of the UK

orly?
 

 
just to clear this up i am no where near one of the top traders in the uk volume wise.  My bankroll is no where near big enough for anyone to claim this.  However i make a decent living out of it.

yes i know.  I was thinking regarding the karry finlay stuff that legal people just dont understand bf and betting at all.  How finlay got banned is still beyond me when he was only laying to leverage a bigger price effectively on his back which was much bigger.  If legal teams cant see that then this is 100 times from complicated.

keith i think its 'what price is it for this to go to court?' if it goes to court the main stream press cover it for sure.  Whats your view on the likelihood on this going to court?

thetwoone - someone speaks sense.  WP my friend.  It took that level of aggro/needle like you say for this to come to a head.  I dont enjoy being hated by people i could easily sit with every month at dtd/gukpts/stars events.  However when it became insanely obviously that he was at it via the numerous posts/questions asked.  Although no friends directly were involved financially mainly because i marked their card months ago, i knew a lot of their friends were who are genuine kids, were and for big amounts.  I am still gob smacked tbh that people are having a go at my aggressive stance when it was obvious this was going to be the only way to slow the blatch steam train.

keith - i was referring to staff having their hands in the till rather than armed robbery's at betting shops.  That is a lot more close to what had happened here (although still diff) than an armed robbery. Sorry for the confusion.

nico 29 - read this from james williams (cotton bud) who i advised not to invest in this alongside several other online pros at the same time nearly a year ago.  James is a very respected poster on here and came 2nd in the main event at gukpt bpool last year.  

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Wow I'm absolutely appalled by what has happened here and I feel so sorry for those who have invested some whom are my friends from Poker. This is so ridiculous I cannot believe this has actually happened. Me and my friend were going to invest in Blatch a while back but after getting Arrboys advice we decided against it, when I saw Blatch was posting no screen shots of winnings etc it just seemed to me so much trust related when I didn't even know the guy.

Having been at the DTD party that Arrboy mentioned I spoke to Blatch a little then he seemed like a nice enough guy. But now I have seen all this I am absolutely gob smacked and I'd like to thank my friend Arrboy for getting me not to invest and after hearing he was banned from the forum I think thats totally shocking he is one of the top dogs when it comes to sports betting and knows his stuff inside out. It's such a shame its had to come to this for people to find out the truth. I hope Blatch does the decent thing and tries to earn your money back for u guys gl to all.  
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if being 'bbeing abusive  and aggressive is what it took to 'out' this crim why would anyone clearly care.  Some peoples attitudes on here really are insane.  Makes me wonder why i bothered.

keith - i dont know you personally but i know SD very well who in turn knows you very well.  Cases of betting shop theft of amounts 10 times smaller than this make the press.  If the police have been called i just dont see how it is at all possible that this doesnt go to court and make the mainstream press.  Its all over the internet in a couple of days.  

Sighmuns - No one stated as many different doubts/flaws in his story in such detail as i did.  Its probably the reason why new posters who have no involvement with blonde and the old blatch 'clique' are agreeing with me.  Not sure how being annoying and crude is a problem when i was correct in highlighting a guy who has grimmed a lot of naive people out of a 6 figure sum.

When this story hits the press etc your iva supervisor will obviously find out and you will be made legally bankrupt as well so i dont think there is any point pretending this isnt going to happen either.  This in turn will make it even harder to find a job above the minimum wage.  IT will certainly be impossible to ever work in the accountancy game again which, it is claimed was your original profession.  I think unless his family is going to bail him out for circa £100k which some families may have and may be willing to do to save their son from jail, then people should just forget about ever getting a penny from this.  Just write it off as a bad bet no matter how hard it is.

Blatch -  a word of advice mate.  I aint no laywer although i trained with a big 5 accountancy firm before entering the gaming industry 10 years ago it is so easy to pick holes in your stories like i just have on the IVA.  I havent even bothered to look at the spreadsheets/betfair account but that sounds just the same.  Its only a matter of time before the old bill come knocking.  Do yourself a favour hand yourself in and at least this way by saving police time and being honest you will reduce the almost certain jail sentence which will be coming your way.  

if the IVA is current then he will be in breach of this on a number of counts and if the creditors/iva supervisor found out about this he would be liable to instantly be made bankrupt formally through the courts system.  

I have already highlighted one in that you have to hold a regular job with a steady income to get an IVA in the first place and show monthly payslips to your iva supervisor.  He obviously doesnt have a regular job and is therefore lying/providing false pay slips to his iva supervisor.  An IVA is a legal contract you have to go to court to finalise and an registered insolvancy pract will have to sign it on your behalf and supervise it/liasie with creditors during the 5 year repayment period.  The 2nd breach is that you cant have any savings/assets apart from i think your own home if you own it (if my understanding is correct they let you live in your home if you own providing you obviously keep up the payment plan) however any cash/liquid assets would obviously have to be paid to creditors.  You have to make a declaration of this at the start so he has obvious lied about this in 2007 or once it started he was saving cash on the side into these probably from this fund as he had no other source of income.  Either way if he had ISAs/national saving then he is in breach of his IVA.  I very much suspect he didnt have any.  But yet again his story just doesnt add up.  

the same guy said he thinks the following prices would have been offered by the blonde forum in running at that moment in time.


100/1 he was busto
 10/1 he couldnt trade
 100000/1 he was a liar

huge priced treble.

[ie Blatch is busto, Blatch can't trade, Blatch is a liar, etc)]

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« Reply #135 on: June 16, 2010, 03:44:15 AM »  

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Quote from: arbboy on June 16, 2010, 03:25:42 AM
lmao - you have to be taking the pi s s here surely.  The guy is a full time pro punter.  

More complicated answers would include

- for the craic - you ask for staking for the 'craic'?  please talk me through that one
- motivational factors - how does being staked motivate u when u give 40/50% of ur profilts to someone else when u could easily roll urself into the game urself and keep 100% providing u have the funds
- psychological temporal nit factors (don't want to be down on that particular day/week/month) - never met a long term successful punter who worries about this
- money being tied up in assets, or some sort of arb thing - a pro punter only has one tool of his trade (cash) very rare for this to happen although in exceptional circumstances it can - dont really think this is the case going to vegas for the summer
- not having cash on you - why would a pro punter go to vegas without a suitable amount of cash to play a 'very soft' cash game?
- building relationships - now u really are taking the pis s
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If you don't understand 'for the craic' in the context of a holiday in Vegas. then I don't know where to start with you.

You are obviously wired in a very poundshillingpence centric way and happy days more power to you.

The problem is that you seem to be projecting your priorities and world view, how you're wired, onto everyone else. Assuming that they operate the way you operate.

It leads you to a lot of conclusions (and you seem very sure about them) but they are are based on a scant amount of dodgy evidence may well be wrong. (ie Blatch is busto, Blatch can't trade, Blatch is a liar, etc)


one of my mates just said to me imagine if youasked the blonde forum to price up the 3 items in bold and u had asked for a treble you would have won enough to pay off the £100k the investors lost.