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14431  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Advice for getting out of the rutt on: December 13, 2010, 06:31:06 PM
r u like knish from rounders?

lol how all poker players must relate other players to someone from rounders.
14432  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Advice for getting out of the rutt on: December 13, 2010, 01:48:58 AM
Also Alex realise that live games just have stupid amounts of variance, that you'll never get to the learn term really so you have to accept the stupid swings.

Also stop spending money on anything all monay spent is -ev innit. Take shots with good discipline but you'll also need to start improving your game by playing online and really step up the work you do away from the table.  You could try playing some of the smaller MTT's online but you need to know how to play them + run good + put in a decent sample + be able to afford it etc.

depends what u mean by -ev. do you count buying nice clothes as -ev? or taking your broke student housemates out for a curry once in a while? or nights out drinking etc? all these things have way more value than money and if you're not going to enjoy yourself and do these things then whats the point in having money anyway? id much rather stay grinding 50 1 for a for months more and still enjoy myself, than save all pennies and have a shit time and move up a bit sooner.
14433  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Advice for getting out of the rutt on: December 13, 2010, 01:30:38 AM
very entertaining dave! Echos of the summer I just had. Spent it having a wicked time in Mexico and Guatemala travelling about with these dutch guys, spending all my money except a carefully saved 7 or 8 hundred which got spanked in Vegas at the end. Was an absolutely awesome summer but left me broke. I owed my girlfriend £200 which she lent me when I got back. I got a job dealing in London for the world series of poker europe, and before my first shift dealing to ivey and durrr etc I went to the vic with that £200 and sat with it in a 1 2game. I limped two black aces utg, young guy made it £13, old guy flatted on the button, I made it £51, young guy folds, old guy calls.   two hearts, I bet 65, He put me all in. I called. The turn came  , the river  . My heart was on the floor I was gutted. The old guy proudly annouces two pair, and fllips   . I couldnt believe it! (Young guy thankfully folded his A8hearts he said...) For the rest of my spell in london I played £1 £1 everyday before work, crushed it (+ran like god Wink ) and the rest is history.  

Now I'm aware that I ran good in that spell and if I'd lost that hand then who knows what will have happened. I can also see the importance in knowing when to stop spinning up. Most ppl that know me say that I don't have a gamblers mentality at all. I almost never play blackjack or roulette or any -EV game, I'll do dinner flips and prop bets cos I think they're generally pretty EV neutral and they're a good laugh which makes them +EV in fact imo. But that's as far as it goes.

So Im sure that if I do end up taking a few shots in the near future, they won't be stupid and I will have no problems if they go wrong. I have a 4figure roll on stars and I can always grind HU SNGs again there to get my live roll back if I lose it. Thanks for all these responses though, a lot of food for thought. Hope to be posting in a weeks time after monte carlo with reports of miniftops FTs and stacking Rob Yong et al @DTD! Gl me.....
14434  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Advice for getting out of the rutt on: December 13, 2010, 01:09:49 AM
I like you Alex. You are a nice lad and you think about the game in good depth, I'm sure you will sbe successful no matter which route you go. For someone who comes across so intelligent your view on online poker really does confuse me. I think you should grind online if you really do want to move up the levels.

its not that i think onlne is rigged or nething, i didnt mean that - ive grinded online b4 for a month or two here and there and I just miss the social interaction far too much and find it very antisocial and insular. I really genuinely enjoy playing live poker (even in gala notts generally lol) and I just couldn't play online for a living entirely. Also live is so soft and may remain soft forever, online is getting tougher and tougher esp in nlhe which is the only game im currently familiar...Maybe a mixture of online and live is a good idea though...
14435  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Advice for getting out of the rutt on: December 12, 2010, 02:03:58 PM
Live a less extravagant life style and save some money?

Also one shot at 2-5<two shots at 1-2

Have u considered playing cash else where? That's what I did when I was doing this in manchester

yeh ive been playing in gala for most of the past 3 months and yeh maybe a change of scenery is a good idea. I can play cash at DTD now so I'll be back there (i used to work there and have had to have a 6month cooling off period...)
14436  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Advice for getting out of the rutt on: December 12, 2010, 02:02:01 PM
50p/£1 is way too small a game to make a genuine living from. Like you, I played this game full time for about a year while I was out of 'proper' work and what a grind it was. Incredibly easy to beat, but variance still hits you wherever you play and with profits being small (they have to be - this is 50p/£1 remember), when you run bad and still have bills to pay, it snookers you somewhat.

It's frustrating I agree not being properly rolled to play higher, especially when the £1/£2 games are even easier to beat in many ways with the straddling and deep stacks, but you have to cut your cloth accordingly..

I always worked on the basis that I would move up if I ever luckboxed a decent sized tournament but that has yet to happen as I seem to run comically bad in coinflipaments.

So I get stuck playing 50p/£1 with the occasional short-stacking forays into £1/2.

I sympathize mate, without at least £20k ring-fenced behind you you're pretty much wasting your time. I would be wary of your profit so far (is it accurate? Be honest)  - 3 months live isn't very many hands really. Wait till you have a horrible downswing - it doesn't matter how good you are when that happens my friend and a 2-4k is pitiful bankroll in real terms as you will probably discover sooner or later

...and online poker... well for me it doesn't do it - it's so, so , so tedious and more importantly definitely not a level playing field. That probably is the route for anyone who seriously wants to play full time but I'm not sure if I can be bothered to dodge the cheaters, colluders, hand history stealers and 24-tabling teenage math geeks living with Mummy.

Ho Hum.

Thanks for this. I have the same qualms about playing online - and playing online entirely for a living isn't an option for me. Fwiw, why would I make a post like this and lie about how much I had earnt? I am aware that 3months isn't a big sample and that I have ran ok in that period, but I was just stating the figures. I have had a a couple of short lived downswings during that period and wouldn't say that I'd ran particularly hot overall.
14437  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Advice for getting out of the rutt on: December 12, 2010, 01:54:02 PM
I've been playing live £0.5/£1 cash for a living now for almost 3months, I've had pretty good results, winning about 5k for that period. However I've had bills, rent etc to pay, enjoy spending money having a good time, treating the missus etc and my roll seems to constantly hover around the 2-4k mark. I'm getting really tilted playing with players so much worse than me and am really keen to move up to £1/£2 or £2/£5. I am confident the games are soft enough that I could win at them, but not so soft as to drive me insane. So my question is, how to move up? I reckon if I don't do anything different I could be playing £.50 £1 for a year and never reach a 5figure roll.

I've come up with 3 possible options:

1) Look into getting staked for bigger games
2) Play online MTTs (5-50$) for a month to try and bink a decent 4figure score
3) Take a few random shots at bigger games eg put 1k out of 3k roll into a £2 £5 at DTD this week, hope to run good and never look back...if I lose, grind again for a while, take another shot in a month or something...

I have to ask - why on earth would playing players worse than you tilt you? They are your income.

Playing better players might be more satisfying in some ways, but it would certainly reduce your profit.


I typed out an almost identical the same reply, but then decided not to post it. - The virtual equivalent of biting my tongue.

I see the same thing in chat boxes all the time: "I hate this site, all the players are donks"

Sure, I understand but this isn't the same thing. Well it's slightly different at least. It's just that some of these guys are so clueless I'm getting tired of spending 8hours a day with them listening to the same crap day in day out. I'd much rather play in a game that is still very profitable (im not suggesting swapping bad players for good players, more like awful players for bad players). So rather than earning x per hour at 0.50 1, I could earn say 1.8x an hour playing 1 2, or 3.5x an hour playing 2 5 for example.
14438  Poker Forums / The Rail / Advice for getting out of the rutt on: December 12, 2010, 06:03:07 AM
I've been playing live £0.5/£1 cash for a living now for almost 3months, I've had pretty good results, winning about 5k for that period. However I've had bills, rent etc to pay, enjoy spending money having a good time, treating the missus etc and my roll seems to constantly hover around the 2-4k mark. I'm getting really tilted playing with players so much worse than me and am really keen to move up to £1/£2 or £2/£5. I am confident the games are soft enough that I could win at them, but not so soft as to drive me insane. So my question is, how to move up? I reckon if I don't do anything different I could be playing £.50 £1 for a year and never reach a 5figure roll.

I've come up with 3 possible options:

1) Look into getting staked for bigger games
2) Play online MTTs (5-50$) for a month to try and bink a decent 4figure score
3) Take a few random shots at bigger games eg put 1k out of 3k roll into a £2 £5 at DTD this week, hope to run good and never look back...if I lose, grind again for a while, take another shot in a month or something...
14439  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: Live Cash gross turn spot on: December 12, 2010, 05:33:22 AM
I would call Im sure.

He doesn't JAM AcesUp in this spot i dont think, plus your read for the BB having AA/AK means that the SB is less likely to have AK also (plus he might raise preflop again with that hand, and I dont think he is donking A9 in this hand.
he has something like  or some such hand imo, I really dont believe he would have a flush either as I don't expect him to a)donk a flush draw, or b) jam a flush on the turn (except maybe a very small one)

The only other option is he has a set, but there are only 2 other available Kings and 9's, so it's most likely 4's, and you still have outs.

I call.

Agreed, I concluded the only had that made any sense was Kx or similar. I didnt think he'd donk a FD and I don't know why he'd jam a flush on the turn into a dry side pot. But he did and I lost. Maybe we are looking at it the wrong way. Rather than say, "his line doesn't really make sense, or "Im struggling to put him on a hand" we should note that generally live players play their hands pretty lets say unconventional, and in a spot like this, maybe it's better to just look at the spot in isolation and say, this guy isn't bluffing, and he is unlikely to have only one pair, so irrespective of the range of hands I put him on in previous streets, when he moves all in on the turn, I am probably beat. I don't know whether looking at things in that way is a good idea or not.

So often their logic is completely, well, illogical and thus its very hard to put them on a hand. I've know idea why he'd play his hand that way and that baffled me into making the wrong decision.
14440  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: Live Cash gross turn spot on: December 12, 2010, 05:20:02 AM
A small part of me dies inside when ppl say stuff like "SB is fairly tight from what i've seen and I'm pretty sure will fold all one pair hands if I ship here. I've never seen him lead out for pot in this spot before so this was strange. I put his range on KQ KJ KT, and decided the best way to extract more value was to flat as I think he folds all of these if i ship".

Basically hes live in a casino and is probably a moron slow playing AA or summit. Calling and not taking all his money is a cardinal sin.

+1

yup, sure would be a good call drawing dead if he has AA.

Yes he's a live player and pretty clueless. But there are a bunch of different types of idiots and in fact, a small part of me dies inside when i read posts like that. Im almost certain the BB has AA, no way the SB does obv. Read the post, then comment. There's are reason Ive described the villain in more detail than "basically he's live in a casino and probably a moron etc etc". suprised you +1d that dave.

so theres 120 in the pot and your jam will give villain 2:1 ish? dont get fancy with extraction, dont get to the turn, jam flop.

Its so tilty when i go to the effort of describing someone saying they were certainly competant enough to fold KQ, KJ etc if I shipped the flop and then ppl come on with this "live casino moron wont fold a pair" bs. Im not getting called by worse if i ship the flop, except NFD probs. I wasn't asking about my flop line, was asking about the turn. FWIW I called, he had  , the BB had AA.
14441  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: DTD & Blonde. on: December 12, 2010, 04:52:51 AM
It could be that no-one had a blonde badge on them in Vegas? Dunno just a possibility.

1) It was not delivering financially. Hard as we & they tried, we could not get blondes to support DTD Online.

I've said it a few times before, but I really don't think it sunk in to the guys at DTD that their site is just really horrible for grinding on. It's ok for the recreational players who play one table here and there or a couple of MTTs and I've played the odd satellite on there but these are not the people that are really going to make any money for DTD.

I would have played on pretty much any skin blonde had as I was doing when blonde was with ipoker, but I just could not do it on that software and I'm sure it was the same for many others.

this
14442  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Live Cash gross turn spot on: December 11, 2010, 06:33:05 AM
DTD 0.50/ 1 Sigh. 6handed, playing £200, i raise   in the cutoff to £6. SB calls (also playing 200) BB raises to £12 (playing £60). i call, SB calls.

  . The SB leads for £35. BB insta ships £48. SB is fairly tight from what i've seen and I'm pretty sure will fold all one pair hands if I ship here. I've never seen him lead out for pot in this spot before so this was strange. I put his range on KQ KJ KT, and decided the best way to extract more value was to flat as I think he folds all of these if i ship. The BB obv has AA or AK (more likely AA). I called the £48, the SB called the extra £13.

The turn is the  . The SB pretty quickly moves in for £140. Wtf? The blinds were mates I think as the BB had just moved to the table and sat next to SB chatting etc. Had no idea what he had except maybe Kx or kx . Id never seen him donkbet pot on a flop with a FD and he didnt seem like the type to do that but didn't have much info or history.

Might have AK as he'd flatted my CO open with AA from the SB before. But very few combos of AK left given the BB almost certaintly has AA or AK. Whats the best move here?
14443  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: 50nl HU on: December 11, 2010, 06:18:11 AM
i prefer a smaller 3b, to 4.25 or 4.50. ne reason for 3betting kq and not kj? and i'd also bet the turn, to try and get a similar spazz out to the a6 hand. plus you get a ton of value from worse hands/draws. having said that, HU is all about gameflow and dynamic so im sure you had good reasons for checking the turn, but since we dont kno ne of that cant rele say nething else.

as played id sigh call off the river, you've underrepped yr hand considerably and this is air a lot i think. if not, snap reload and win it back np.
14444  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: MiniFTOPS turn spot on: December 10, 2010, 07:04:50 AM
we discussed the idea of check calling the turn and then check folding the river. pretty unconventional but if we check jam the turn we fold out all hands we beat (except KQ and QJ) and get snapped by everything that beats us. if we check call, then we have 34k left, and the pot on the river will be 60k. Villain unlikely to bluff us by the river? i dont know, probs just being results orientated and maybe its just a cooler, just trying to think of ways to avoid getting stacked...
14445  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / MiniFTOPS turn spot on: December 09, 2010, 08:17:15 AM
A friend gave me this HH over the phone so don't have many specifics i'm afraid. I know he's in the last 2500 of a 15,000 field so assuming near the money bubble. He's been at his current table 3orbits, raised about 3 hands one of which ended up allin pre and doubled up with aces.

He raises  in the hijack, to 2.1x from a 30bb stack. Cutoff flats playing 40bbs, the blinds both playing 40bbs both fold.

He cbets a TT4 flop. Villain calls. Turn comes a J. He checks and villain "bets pot". I think he said the bet was 20k and Hero has 54k total.

What hand does villain have to bet pot on the turn here, that he flats pre, and flats the flop with? Should our turn line be bet/call, check/shove, check/fold? check/call shove river? seems a kind of gross spot...
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