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Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: TPTK, fold on the river?
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on: November 17, 2010, 07:13:15 PM
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In a 5handed 50p £1 game at Alea nottingham last night I opened to £5 UTG with , button, sb (villain) and bb call. Table is very fishy/loose. Villain was sitting with about £50 probably. Have seen him play one hand of note before where he had 72hh and flopped a flush draw on AK3, bet pot. turned a gutshot (4clubs adding a club FD). Moved allin (about pot) and got called by 75clubs, offsuit Ace on river, 75high was good. He was playing cash because he just busted the comp. Anyway, the flop is , checks round. Turn is . He instantly bets £15, almost before the turn had been dealt. BB folds, I call, button folds. River comes an , he quickly bets £20. Hero?? This would normally be a very easy fold because you hardly beat anything that bets here. However, given that you have put the time and effort in to describing how much villain likes to bluff I'm going to say call. Should've jammed turn btw. He's got half his stack in so won't fold any draw. prolly got his stacksize wrong, if he had half his stack in then i wouldve just jammed. i was down 3buyins at this point and not paying as close attention to stacks as i normally would.....maybe JK can enlighten us as he was dealing
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Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / TPTK, fold on the river?
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on: November 17, 2010, 06:58:33 PM
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In a 5handed 50p £1 game at Alea nottingham last night I opened to £5 UTG with , button, sb (villain) and bb call. Table is very fishy/loose. Villain was sitting with about £50 probably. Have seen him play one hand of note before where he had 72hh and flopped a flush draw on AK3, bet pot. turned a gutshot (4clubs adding a club FD). Moved allin (about pot) and got called by 75clubs, offsuit Ace on river, 75high was good. He was playing cash because he just busted the comp. Anyway, the flop is , checks round. Turn is . He instantly bets £15, almost before the turn had been dealt. BB folds, I call, button folds. River comes an , he quickly bets £20. Hero??
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Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: NL200 at the empire
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on: November 17, 2010, 05:28:16 PM
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you've made this hand hard by overthinking it, and by sitting 50bbs in the first place. i'd 3bet/get it in pre with 50bigs vs someone that buys in for 3.5-7x what the rest of the table has bought in for. He has money to splash about, and could be opening the first hand with a very wide range. Let him splash it about. Flatting pre is fine for this reason too.
Shoving the flop is definitely not bad as you said, you have good equity vs his range. You're unlikely to be less than 60% when you get it in here. He'll call it off with good fds, and lots of Ax hands which you have crushed. Get it in here. As played defo shove turn.
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Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: Is he next level genius?
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on: November 16, 2010, 05:46:54 PM
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I think pre-flop is fine. I knwo people will be like OH11x WTF, but its low stakes live cash where the conventional/advanced poker theorys have to be put to one side and every hand should be played more or less in a vacuum, unless you have enough good players at the table to warrant otherwise (in all the hours Iv played in games like this in my life Id say that has happened about once) Again I kinda like the flop bet, Q43 with hearts is not a flop which your going to get many folds on, and its basically a check but boosts the pot nicely, I think peoples calling ranges here are fairly inelastic so betting £30 would still get the same callers but would bloat the flop, after all we have equity but no showdown value so we want to pot control slightly. Turn I would have almost definatley checked, nothing really has changed so I still dont see anyone folding, and the chances are that at leats one of the others have a better hand atm + again no actual showdown value as of yet, and again everyone is terrible normally so when we bink a heart no-one will even consider folding a queen. River I am stunned you even considered folding a ten here, if you credit the guy with any inteligance then he surely knows either your hand is a draw or a made hand on the flop (maybe 77 or A5s idk) so if he wants value he'll bet more (either you're calling or you not) and if he's betting ONLY to make you fold hearts he'll bet smaller - if he doesnt expect you to fold a pair. If we say he has no intelligance at all then he has bet £25 itno £150+ and people make really stranmge bets and calls all the time so I just flick it in. Shoving i dont like because a we rep pretty much TT or QT which vs someone intelligant is far too thin, vs some not intelligant then they are likely to sigh, tank forever, come up with a pretty decent desicion via some horrible thought processes and flick the call in with Q8 - and then we have no idea if we have a better hand than the all-in or not. In these games simple for the win imo, if you try to out-think people who are barely thinking then you level yourself far too often, as you did here. and in answer to the thread title, NO, NO HE ISN'T good post dave. shoving the river or betting 35 to induce i don't like either. He would never fold top pair cos he has the highest pair on the board so it's pointless. Btw sorry didnt mention before, villain is playing about 250-300. We cover. Butchered this one clearly. Shouldve checked the turn and called the river.
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Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: Is he next level genius?
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on: November 16, 2010, 02:20:40 PM
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meh I want to say I disagree with alot of the above, but he's James Mfkin Keys so I'm staying quiet.
my thoughts exactly. james, why does betting the turn "leave us open to get shoved on". ideal semi bluff spot no, firing a strong 2nd bullet into 2 players with decent equity if we're called? I dont think this villain is vbetting a 4 (or similar) ever here. He may be bluffing yes, but its just such a shit bluff - 25 in 168 that i levelled myself into thinking that it couldnt be a bluff.
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Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: Is he next level genius?
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on: November 16, 2010, 02:16:08 PM
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I can't find a fold for £25 into £168 after the river, thats for sure, history or not.
(next time post without the reveal, its more intriguing!)
can see the merit of not posting results of course, but in this case the result it what makes the hand so bizarre. but could've left it out for a while to see if anyone could guess that he scooped with 6high i guess!
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Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Is he next level genius?
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on: November 16, 2010, 01:11:51 PM
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0.50/1 at gala nottingham. straddle, i open to £11 utg with , MP flats. SB short stack pushes for £13 total (yes £13). Straddle calls, I call, MP calls. MP is chinese gambler. An hour previously he tried to bluff me off bottom pair then when I called him down he made some comment about it being hard to bluff me or something (obv, i dont fold). I bet £16 on a flop, trying to build a side pot for when i bink and to iso vs the allinshortie. MP and straddle both call. Turn is a , straddle checks, I bet £34. Mr Chinese man calls, straddler folds. River comes a . I figure if MP has a Q (i thought likely) then he won't fold, and I now have the best hand if he has a smaller pair. I check. He nonchalantly chucks in £25. I think I can't possibly be good here, with the history, the betsize. the side pot etc, this must be at least a Q and Im getting value towned. Despite the great price, I tanked and folded. He flips over 62o. Sigh. The SB who was allin goes to muck his hand. Everyone's like nononono dont muck he has 6 high. The guy turns over 52o. Mr Chinese scoops both pots.... Amazing. How do you like my line on the flop, turn and river?
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