From the OP it looks like we're against "old weaktight guy in seat 4" right? If so, check/fold is by far the best line. Also, fold pre.

in all seriousness, really fold pre? 6max vs 3.25x. We are in small blind and can be pretty sure BB and limper will call too. 225 into pot of 325x3 + 100 = 1075. everyone with about 10k chips. Sure we're oop but I wouldn't ever fold suited connectors/ one gappers in this spot. Would you be folding 45s or 68s? is it because we're often dominated? JTs?

+1 on folding pre, although I would probs always call whilst knowing I should fold, lol

did you misread our hand? jack 9 blueeeeeeeeeeeee!

I much prefer check call here for same reasons as mr pie and also to allow them to bluff.

I think against this villain if he's betting that river, we are behind sooo often. He checks behind most things that may call a small bet.

The problem with a value bet here is you need him to have a 10 in his hand or possibly Jx that's worse than yours. Anything else he either folds, value raises or calls and wins. Even worse is if he's good and bluff raises you off triple jacks.

yes the vbet is to be called specially by AT, KT and worse jacks. This makes up a fair amount of his range here imo. Sure, there's stuff that he'll call and win with, and stuff he'll raise and ill fold. But given I was 95% certain he wouldnt bluff raise the river, I think bet folding 1000-1150 is superior to check calling.

I'm at a lively first table in the 6max on sunday. Simon Deadman is in seat 2,i'm seat 3, old weaktight guy in seat 4, chinese frankie seat 6 isittttt.

some old loose guy limps utg from seat 5, frankie makes it 325 at 50/100 utg+1. Folds round I peel from SB with  . BB,and limp all call.

Flop  . I should probably have led here but I checked, checks round.
Turn  . I bet 750. BB calls. 2 folds.
River  Hero?

Is bet folding the best option here? My read was villain unlikely to bluff if I bet, might if I check. I thought villain has AT KT that may call a bet and also might peel pre from BB with J7s or maybe even worse jacks but unlikely.

Most of these hands in villains calling range would probably check behind on that board so I didn't want to miss out on a value bet. If we're leading here, how much? What do you think about check calling? Or even check folding?

Thoughts please on-
Villains calling range
Villains c/jamming value range
Bet sizing with our hand
Bet sizing with 77
The call on the flop
C/raising the river if you are the villain (without a house but as a bluff)

calling range on the river i think is only 78 and 34, 84 the more i think about it.
I think he bets the flop with all these hands (plus all sets and 2pairs , 88, A7 and maybe 79 as well).

Which of these hands does he check the turn with? Most of them imo, except 79 and maybe sets. But I think he has two pair on the turn or 34 and 84 most of the time here. When he calls the £45 quickly I think his range is more weighted towards sets and two pairs (hate the 8 but figure they still have outs). But of course 34 and 84 he's prolly not folding here but I think he takes more time over calling (?).

On the river did villain check very quickly? If he checks quickly I think we can go ahead and be confident he has two pair or worse straights and we are good and think about how much he will call. Again if we get c/rd i think he's filled up and I'd fold.

Thoughts please on-
C/raising the river if you are the villain (without a house but as a bluff)

If I'm the villain I'm not c/raising this river as a bluff very often. Our range is pretty much only straights and houses, it is unclear which as he might think you'd play sets like this (vbetting turn to get called by smallers sets and worse 2pairs for eg / semi bluffing for the rivers we fill up on). If i'm sure you have a straight then I might go ahead a make a large c/r. But if i'm unsure whether you'll fold a straight and sure you won't fold a boat, then I'm not bluffing here often.

if you are villain and you have 56 how would you play the river, assuming youve played the same upto now.

interesting question. stereotyping villain, I'd say he's unlikely c/r a bet of 80 or 90, but might raise a smaller bet. Whether he'd c/r at all here and not bet out, I'm not sure, more info on villain reqd. But I reckon generally he'd lead on this river with 56.

with the villain as described im bet folding this river 100% of the time. I think he sigh calls a bet of 60-75 and never c/r with a bluff or worse hand here. Against different villains of course, it's not quite so clear. But I agree that live fish almost never c/r bluff the river. I think villain has worse straights and 2pair a whole bunch here, and sometimes a house. Whether he'd c/r a house rather than just donk out I'm not sure. Either way, once he checks, I'm obv betting, and if he raises. I'm folding.

Ul mitch and giblin. just bubbled the 6max myself, like mitch cant win any allins. tourneys diagf, cash ftw. PEACE!

disgusting level down to 40k. lost 4 all ins v shorties flips.

sounds like yr mate bokked you. ul, youll get em back.

lol one of my best poker mates has 70k, +have 75 cant see anyone else around with more than 60, we have a  % of eachother and hes just been moved to my direct right, he 3bets a nit reallllly big, i fold jj in bb and he shows 109cc. fml!

lol nice setup, gl!

[His line looks like he's repping a missed flush draw to me and he's inducing a bluff shove from you]

Given your reads that he definitely has a 3 and your pretty sure it's not K3 or 43 then this has to be a shove.

He's not going to pass and there's only J3 that beats you which if he has it is just meh.

Without those reads I'd just call but with the information you've given definitely ship it.

Why don't you think he'll pass if I shove? I don't think he'd call w/o a house cos he's good enough to know I'm not shoving there with worse than A3.

Just cus he's got too much in there already to pass with triple threes.

If you don't think he'll call without a hand that beats you then obviously you should just call.

I take it from these comments that your reason for this thread is to ask whether you should pass?

No you shouldn't.

Also if he 100% knows you're not shoving worse than A3 you should use this to your advantage by bluffing him a lot. He's exploitable if he always thinks the worst.

No I didn't think I should pass, I was wondering about missed value cos obv I called and he had Q3.

If you're 100% certain he folds then obviously you haven't missed value.

I have a feeling you may have though. His line looks like he's repping a missed flush draw to me and he's inducing a bluff shove from you. 

I can't see anyone passing trips here in a 150bb cash pot.

really? didn't ever think he was drawing at any point. not the type to c/r FDs

think i misunderstood this. i think what you are saying though is a couple of levels higher than gala regs are thinking tbh (even though I said he was ok, it's still live, and its still gala). he said he would have pass if i had shoved fwiw

[His line looks like he's repping a missed flush draw to me and he's inducing a bluff shove from you]

Given your reads that he definitely has a 3 and your pretty sure it's not K3 or 43 then this has to be a shove.

He's not going to pass and there's only J3 that beats you which if he has it is just meh.

Without those reads I'd just call but with the information you've given definitely ship it.

Why don't you think he'll pass if I shove? I don't think he'd call w/o a house cos he's good enough to know I'm not shoving there with worse than A3.

Just cus he's got too much in there already to pass with triple threes.

If you don't think he'll call without a hand that beats you then obviously you should just call.

I take it from these comments that your reason for this thread is to ask whether you should pass?

No you shouldn't.

Also if he 100% knows you're not shoving worse than A3 you should use this to your advantage by bluffing him a lot. He's exploitable if he always thinks the worst.

No I didn't think I should pass, I was wondering about missed value cos obv I called and he had Q3.

If you're 100% certain he folds then obviously you haven't missed value.

I have a feeling you may have though. His line looks like he's repping a missed flush draw to me and he's inducing a bluff shove from you. 

I can't see anyone passing trips here in a 150bb cash pot.

really? didn't ever think he was drawing at any point. not the type to c/r FDs

Given your reads that he definitely has a 3 and your pretty sure it's not K3 or 43 then this has to be a shove.

He's not going to pass and there's only J3 that beats you which if he has it is just meh.

Without those reads I'd just call but with the information you've given definitely ship it.

Why don't you think he'll pass if I shove? I don't think he'd call w/o a house cos he's good enough to know I'm not shoving there with worse than A3.

Just cus he's got too much in there already to pass with triple threes.

If you don't think he'll call without a hand that beats you then obviously you should just call.

I take it from these comments that your reason for this thread is to ask whether you should pass?

No you shouldn't.

Also if he 100% knows you're not shoving worse than A3 you should use this to your advantage by bluffing him a lot. He's exploitable if he always thinks the worst.

No I didn't think I should pass, I was wondering about missed value cos obv I called and he had Q3.

If you're 100% certain he folds then obviously you haven't missed value.

I have a feeling you may have though. His line looks like he's repping a missed flush draw to me and he's inducing a bluff shove from you. 

I can't see anyone passing trips here in a 150bb cash pot.

300 bigs innit?

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Why did you play A3 if you are not going to get your stack in on this board?

And what possesses you to play at Gala?

cant play cash at dtd until december sooooo only place to play in notts until then. im growing actually rather fond of it