I think bluffing is pretty bad here; if he's backed into a flush, it's pretty difficult to believe you have one too, and you've put money in on the flop and turn, making the backdoor flush less believable. He could easily talk himself into a call on the basis that you could be trying to fold out a chop; also more believable because you've made your hand look like a straight. He's probably also thinking to himself that he's not backed into a flush just to bet-fold it.

We should also remember that people tend to pigeonhole their opponents on the basis of what they would do, and a bluffy, laggy player will be thinking that you're on the same level as him. It's just what people do, how people justify their plays, why people moan that low stakes players don't know how to fold.

He can be bluffing here too, but it doesn't seem likely enough to justify a call. I generally fold here but it's the sort of situation where feel and timing come into it, and I certainly couldn't fault you for a call.

Why are you the only guy not straddling? I hate being that guy.

Flop I don't hate the c-bet with blockers and outs but I certainly wouldn't do it everytime. Might do it most times with a bdfd.

270 more to go wazz, should be done before the main.

Do u think this is a good question ? U had AK on a AK269 rainbow and u asking what to do on the river ?
Jam river or fold pre !! If he got it , good luck to him .. Gg

Yeah ok, fold preflop because we're not comfortable jamming the river (for value or as a bluff? who knows!) in this specific spot.

I don't fold in an $11.

yoh're allowed to get bluffed from time to time :-P

This! If you never get bluffed you're calling waaaaay too much.

Havent we called Flop/Turn to call river?

Nah, we've called to improve or get to showdown. Obviously after just calling flop and turn our hand doesn't look superstrong and villain does look quite strong, giving him the opportunity to bluff lots, but we will have a few stronger hands in our range than this, including some rivered flushes, and we need a good reason to believe villain will triple here, rather than the other way round. We ofc don't beat any of his value range.

Bet sizing otf into 3 people oop looks like he’s hit a decent piece but wants to be heads up. Wouldn’t he do this with a TP decent  kicker but bet smaller with say a flopped set?

Barrelling the turn could fit with this story once he’s heads up but wouldn’t we expect a check with this hand on the riv as corkey says?

If I had more behind I’d r/f the riv but in this situation I’m calling half expecting to chop.

I feel like people try too hard to read into bet-sizing in this sort of spot and let it define their play on later streets; even if we had a solid read, villain could be intentionally mixing up his sizing, or doing it randomly, or doing it for the wrong reason, or just had a brainfart and made a mistake. Poker is a language - we're forced to say stuff and we have the job of interpreting what he says and doing something as a response to that, but unless we're very successfully in his head, we can't interpret something as nuanced as bet-sizing, at least not in this spot.

Don't understand why these people just don't apply themselves to something legitimate....

Because who wants to wait until you're middle-aged before you can enjoy a lambo!

Right, and as I said, I wouldn't charge mates a vig, but that's because a) as a mate I like the guy and b) I can reasonably expect him to do favours for me in the future.

It's not like charging a vig is holding a gun to someones' head. There's nothing deceptive about it either. There is lots and lots of very dodgy stuff going on in poker, to draw attention to this and claim it's dodgy is drawing attention from all the actually dodgy stuff people do.

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I'm Mike, 29 years old, this will be my 4th wsop, grinding cash and mtts mostly at rio, like a good mix of partying and grinding but focus will be on grinding, relaxing and working out this summer. Been pro for 7 years so hopefully will be able to contribute to any strategy discussions.

Looking to be out there for about a month from the middle of june, would also be happy to do some swaps.

Budget about $70/night. PM for more information. If you don't have a place sorted already that's fine, I'll see what I can sort out.

How is hi-lo simpler than straight hi? Straight hi is also closest to nlhe.

On the subject of 4/5/6, I absolutely hate 6-card PLO (hi). Everyone takes ages to read their hands, look at the board, read their hands again. Because everyone always has something hands take longer. Edges are much smaller as well. 5O is tolerable but 4O is the purest game and you get more than enough coolers and more than enough opportunity to gamble. I will always fight hard to keep 4O games at 4O and will always make sure when I start a new table that it's 4O only and convince people to change to 5 or 6. People have this idea that edges are bigger and that people gamble more but it's just not true.

Haven't read the entire thread but I don't see there as being anything wrong with this. If you're in a business relationship with someone then you give them it at spot as you can reasonably expect the other party to help you out in the future but if you don't, you have no reason to expect you'll get anything back. There is always effort and risk involved in helping someone out, and they are in need, so why wouldn't I charge them a small vig? If it's cheaper than you would get from a commercial service then we're both better off, and saying that you'd rather pay more just because you don't like the idea of paying an individual for a service rather than a corporation is simply spiteful and means you both lose out. If the guy is charging too much then market forces dictate he won't get any custom anyway.

I get that we're in the habit of trying to help our fellow poker players out but at the end of the day this is business.

3b sizing fine and now spaff your chips in as quickly as possible, possibly also playing AQs this way, we're < 30bb deep!

buyin and speed of tournament is hugely relevant here

this!

given stats provided it seems like a fold but I could also see making it ~1600 and probably folding to a jam

Definitely bet the river, after flatting pre and checking the flop our hand is massively underrepped, we have a bluffy image, and when villain checks the flop, check-calls the turn and then checks the river this deep we have the best hand like absolutely always, not even thinking about what to do when raised because it happens like 1/1000.

Calling - pot will be ~ 15k with 33.5k back, he's highly likely to try to get it all-in by the river, both with worse for value and as a bluff, whereas he will fold most of his range to a 4b, unless we make it really small. Don't like doing that without a dynamic as he will likely assume our hand is what it is and only do anything if he flops bigger than us. With stacks as they are the only 4bet that makes sense is all-in, and if he has a value-hand that wants to go with it preflop he'll often want to go with it postflop too.