[I was suprised at the lack of response to your play on the first hand. Hope it doesnt sound too harsh, of course its always easy after the event.......]

I was suprised at the lack of response to your play on the first hand. Hope it doesnt sound too harsh, of course its always easy after the event.......

Blinds: 150/300/25
Starting Stack: 38,000
UTG+2 with   , raise to 650
CO calls, BTN 3bet to 1700
Call call, three way flop  
Check check, BTN bets 2100
Call, fold, heads up turn  
Check, BTN bets 2100, call
River  
Check, BTN bets 4500, I raise to 9200, BTN ships 28,000, I fold

Logic behind this was that his reaction down every street was one of increasing worry, Logic behind check riasing river? Folding? or logic behind passive play until the river raise?

pre he had a tendency to raise really small with monsters (crying call material) so his three bet signalled a strong hand, I went with good implied odds as I didn't believe him capable of folding overpairs, float the flop seems fine to me as I have immediate outs, when they complete and he fires a second time all I put him on are AQ+/10's+, so I'm content to bomb the river expecting to get paid provided I think I'm still ahead. Worst river in the world and more-so when he snap double checked his cards, he looked excited. My raise is purely to find out where I am.
Contradiction? You check raise him on 'worst river in the world' - to find out where you are? With a player giving me action on every street on a board of that texture,  I would want to show strength on the river by betting out as this willl also serve to see 'where I am'. However your passive play up til then meant you were always fighting a losing battle on the river. Absolutely would never check/raise as you are going to be left in a spot as you were, or most of the time only getting called by the better hand.

I could probably make it more but I'm worried of over committing on a paired board. His ship was almost instant, at which point what am I really beating? Correct me if im wrong but this shows a lack of having thought through this move... If im making a check raise on the river (Which but for your passive play prior is a very strong move), then Ive got to think ahead to his likely response... what if he shoves?

I don't think he 3's pre with KQ, that's not his style. So all I can reasonably have him on is AQ/AA/QQ/JJ. He could have KK, I'm not too sure on that one. But I just think calling off is terrible, not sure though.

IMO You played the hand too passively, absolutely should have raised his turn bet... this is when you need to find out how strong he is. Also perhaps you didnt think through how your passive play would influence his thoughts on the hand and his ability to get you to fold...

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Blinds: 250/500/50
Starting Stack: 22,500
Four limpers (UTG, CO, BTN, SB) I'm BB with    , raise to 2400
UTG flats, CO folds, BTN shoves for 91,000, SB folds, I fold

Probably fairly standard but I want clarification. One important thing to note is that the button has been fairly reckless all tournament, but never like this, his standard play would have probably been a 7k 3bet, I just thought that it could be an insane play with the top of his range trying to look spewy or that it was the standard over shove. Either way I considered myself good enough not to risk everything in this spot.

Always a shove here, there are numerous spots where AK should be folded pre, this isnt one of them. You can't win tournaments by waiting for the very best spots, as they may never come....

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Who cares about the weather or is this event being played outdoors?

Exactly, not for me this one, ticked this leg off two years ago, no hurry to go back all that way.

Ok Thursday it is then; I'll go 839 runners

So what you are saying is that if it's a £100 comp with a guarantee of 10k including say 2x 500+50 seats (£1100), and it makes 12k, actually the payouts only come to £10,900, and the top two people get £500 seats whether they like it or not. They are not added seats?

Prizepools INCLUDE the price of the tickets, so for all the money raised take off the price of any torn tickets that are part of the pool.

You've put a negative slant on this. The way I saw it the prize pools went up and the tickets were part of the rise. If we are talking Dtd then the numbers seem to confirm that the players like it too.

How about a thread exclusively for Herbs with a large disclaimer at the front that has to be read and agreed before entering. If its going to cost a few extra quid, let the herbie  know.

The 'fear of change' factor has to be considered when looking at the results. Therefore, with the vote being so close, I would say getting rid of antes wins hands down...

(in the £25 only)

I'm team herbert, if your reading this, I got my first place bink BUT, no need to pay out at that level, instead ill take down the 500 for a decisive meal ticket win.

Opinions, shmoopinions..... This thread shows the benefits of an absolute ruler/dictator. There is no conclusive result and some are threatening not to play if changes are made. Do what your good at Rob, give it a try, and make it a small sample size then see what happens. GL.

[Anyone who isn't a pro though has no reason to actually care about long term survival of the game, they can just find a different hobby.]

What % of posters itt are actually the demographic being targeted here though ?

Does seem like most posts from those in favour is from a personal pov of ante's are incred, gotta keep the antes. Anyone who isn't a pro though has no reason to actually care about long term survival of the game, they can just find a different hobby.

I would say keep them in for the £50 bi and lose them for the rest, that way you give lower stakes players the chance to play better structures for less, which covers Pads' point, which was my first thought also, whilst making the game more fun for those looking for just that. I'd expect most of the people playing £20 comps will have a better experience without antes.

Great Post, Mr Ray.

Strongly Disagree. Since when was Poker a hobby for hobbys sake?

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Also love Freebird whatever the mood..

I took the pathetic option and voted 'dont know'. I suppose if the people in the know think it makes sense then who am I to disagree. But I would like to see it in the small torns only (25) and perhaps only once a week, because as others have said having them is better for more aggressive players.
 I played won the £25 last night and noted the 75 antes were missing, which was a good thing.

Brag!!

Wp m8

Never miss the oppo to slip one in m8

I took the pathetic option and voted 'dont know'. I suppose if the people in the know think it makes sense then who am I to disagree. But I would like to see it in the small torns only (25) and perhaps only once a week, because as others have said having them is better for more aggressive players.
 I played won the £25 last night and noted the 75 antes were missing, which was a good thing.

Anyone got any idea of the possible numbers for the 6 max torn at 2pm today?? Anyone going?? Thinking of making the trip...

Same again tonight

10 seats GTD live at 8pm with Late reg until 9pm

£50 UL RB with a double add on for £50

http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/events/ukipt-mega-sat/31540

mate, if you play the live satts and fluke a seat do you have to use it to play the ukipt or can you keep it for dtd events iike the tokens?

And can I play another satellite tonight or would winning two seats mean I waste one?