If we don't fancy our chances of getting a bluff through otr maybe we should take the price we're getting and call. I don't think raising to £70 is ever going to scare him Mr Businessman, probably need to make it bigger if we want to take it down there and then.

this is essentially the crux of the discussion.

raising turn vs an opponent we know we can't get a bluff through seems like a counterintuitive (spelling) play!?

I tried to do a combinations calculation and it seemed to me that we have way too many bluffs to value vs an opponent who has a weak made hand (9x) a lot and sometimes flop trapped monsters and often better club draws than our own.

Bet flop with v high frequency, have perfect hand to do it with.

Agree, as played,  what do you do when youve checked flop?

[Flop]

Interesting spot I think, from a mates live cash game.

Playing 1/3 @ the vic
8 handed 10pm ish

We have £500 to start

Single straddle to £6.

'Businessman' (BM) opens HJ to 22, Hero calls BTN with  , straddle calls.

BM playing 700
Straddle playing 1k


Flop
 

Straddle checks, BM checks, Hero checks



Turn
 

Straddle checks, BM bets 25, Hero raises to 70, straddle folds, BM calls.

River
 

BM bets 85, Hero shoves 405.






Thoughts???







Extra information
We are not going to bluff on brick rivers (because villain won't fold 9x+)
We are not going to value bet a 10, we may bet 1/4 pot on some J's

Hero is a young gentleman, short hair, often quiet demeanour, not seen as overly splashy or aggro.

Thanks for the comments, I originally thought 3bt pre was superior but am starting to see the merit to peel, however I don't like playing a hand this 'weak' oop with our stack size, I'd prefer to be deeper (maybe it's the cash player in me).

I also don't agree with the turn c/j but understand the thought process of the player saying "I thought it would look weak when I checked and then I can get hands to commit more chips than they should and then slam the door."


The reason I posted the hand is that when 3 different people talking about the hand had completely different things they would change about the hand then I wanted to see some more thoughts from you guys.

Not that shallow are we, we have 85bbs! Different if we have 20-30bbs it could be more awkward, but v deep for a comp stack at this stage. I agree with Pleno and thigh too fwiw

Cool, well if it's approved by the dog!

Thanks for the comments, I originally thought 3bt pre was superior but am starting to see the merit to peel, however I don't like playing a hand this 'weak' oop with our stack size, I'd prefer to be deeper (maybe it's the cash player in me).

I also don't agree with the turn c/j but understand the thought process of the player saying "I thought it would look weak when I checked and then I can get hands to commit more chips than they should and then slam the door."


The reason I posted the hand is that when 3 different people talking about the hand had completely different things they would change about the hand then I wanted to see some more thoughts from you guys.

The limper is the 40k stack, the villain has close to us, both around 200k

Genuine hand from a friend, I know.....

6 max, we are BB

Middle aged Chinese guy (don't know anything else) opens BTN to 8k over a limp (playing 40k) at 1200/2400, we find  playing approx 200k, villain has similar stack.

We 3bt pre to 22.5k, limped folds, btn calls.


FLOP
   
We cbet 25k, he calls


TURN
 

We check, he bets 33k, we shove for 120k he takes 30 seconds and calls.

RIVER
5o




Thoughts on pre, flop, turn?

Plans for sizing, 3bt vs flat, Jxx boards not getting folds etc...??

Sue it's been asked but just got to the thread, stream?

Good effort JB, not many staking threads on here nowadays so nice to get a return for the punters!

Thanks!

I'm considering doing a bigger 'UK' package... Similar to Eso's type things.

Unsure how the market would respond.  Might be better to approach people who I think would be interested privately.

For any reading this that are interested I'm thinking the GPS/ UKIPT and £1k and under's that are going on during 2016.

Busted 12th. Made tp vs better tp and after his tentative call on the turn I figured I was almost always good.

Have Q10 vs KQ on 763Q4.

I bet turn and jam river after he checks back flop then tank calls turn.

Unlucky all, really felt like I'd grinded my way back.

Got some money to send back though.. so details by pm please.

You were unlucky not to get that through John.

Nice run anyway.

Thanks,

It's one of those where I agree that in a vacuum after the event it looks 'bad' or at least 'not great' but at the time, in the moment.. I really believed he had worse and would hero if he did... I can't imagine its likely to be a consistently huge mistake, starting the hand with quite a short stack and all.

Frustrating though... and when I went to get the money and saw that 12th was the last place before each one is a money jump.. I was just looking at all the payouts above (hadn't looked at any time during the tournament) and started fantatising about what could have been.

I'll get to a final soon, I can feel it... Just hope I smash it when I do!

Busted 12th. Made tp vs better tp and after his tentative call on the turn I figured I was almost always good.

Have Q10 vs KQ on 763Q4.

I bet turn and jam river after he checks back flop then tank calls turn.

Unlucky all, really felt like I'd grinded my way back.

Got some money to send back though.. so details by pm please.

13 left and working my way back up the bb counts.

Stato on an absolute tear.. having to show it down a lot and having the best hand, often.

Have 14bb at 12/24k

Made the money...

Tom hall bubbles AQo  vs QQ aipf.

On the bubble after 4th break.
Have 267k at 8/16k.

Had a tough table and made a few minor missteps.
Lost AQ vs QQ raggy shove for 260k at 6/12k.

Haven't done anything silly and no plans to blow now.

AT, 23o.

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Has 23 otb.
Peel pre
Flop 723r
Peel cbet
Turn k
He check calls a medium bet
River 5
He check calls huge bet.

Played a pot vs a guy I felt comfortable playing in a game that wasn't 3bt heavy where I have a lot of chips and felt confident I would be able to get paid big by the guy if I made a good hand or to make him fold his hand if needed...