I appreciate everything everyone has posted, about the OP itself, I just copy n pasted the template and changed each bit for the actual content.  I'm guessing any future PHA's will likely be simpler and require less hiding my poor and obviously FPS attempts.

It's not meant to be an Ego war, more that I thought it would be an interesting spot when I have a lot of information on the villain and he doesn't have any clue who I am.

About the hand itself, I've noticed no one has even mentioned the possibility that Stato is 4betting light..? or how this hand would play out if he was... REMEMBER this was the reason for the entire hand in the first place.. if we knew when we'd make three ladies, we'd be Mitch, right?
(If I understand Prose of a Poshboys profile of said genius).

How do we think the hand plays if Stato doesn't have the A and the K..? Obv he did this time.. and like he said, the 4bt was so obviously setting up a stacks 6bt that calling pre will make the hand very hard for him post flop if he doesn't make a pair.. (doesnt the Q10 lend itself well to boards that he will 'rep with equity' on..??)  My thinking was that even a J72 flop will be hard for him to win long term imo.  He even mentioned himself in this session a certain person he's played with that used to peel too much to his raises but over a long long time has changed their default pre-flop strategy to now counter his aggressive play better.

I also agree with the change in hands to 3bt pre.. had this been  then i think it might even be criminal not to 3b since the blinds will call more often than they should and should villain decide to try and resqueeze once they call then we can either peel in pos again or make a big 5bt (since his 4b will have to be bigger) to really rep a monster.

I'm also wondering why at no point anyone has mentioned that there isn't any point in me 5bt-ing KK or AA or AK here when villain either has a value hand we will likely stack anyways, or has a bluff - in which case we will only lose any future moneyz he would like to donate.

Also, Stato - what is your plan if you don't make a pair?? (or some of it..)

To me it just looks like the perfect size to take back the initiative since so many people in these games would then insta-spaz with their value hands.. making it 120 so he can play his whole range perfectly.

I think the 4bt size is very well chosen for both value hands, keeping me in and also marginal/ bluff hands for allowing him to take the initiave and maybe even the pot down cheaply.

Thanks a lot Andy for your post, I really appreciate it.. you're absolutely correct about me and my big mouth.. can't help myself some times.  But I now see the hand very differently when I look through your eyes.

I guess the scared money stuff was just self-levelling.. I am currently on level 22 but struggling with enough exp to reach 23.  Can't kill the dam troll at the end of the maze.

I would like to ask you what you think villain is going to do with EVERYTHING else except AK/ AA in this spot (we're assuming he never has a Q as thats too sick to contemplate)??

We all know Alex because he's "that rude posh boy innit".



Going out to see Sherlock Holmes, gota admit i'll be keeping an eye on this while in the cinema. UL again sir, the douche on my left reminding the whole table of the hand to make me look bad because ive reprimanded him in the past was horrible for you.

And I will obviously give you the same look, maybe even a mini blowup.. because if a world class 6maxing stato whose a countdown champion of all time, apparently runs good in meal flips and just wins for fun.. well if he did that to me. I'd feel a little sick - minimum.

As previously stated.. he definitely doesn't always have AK here.. and I don't expect him to always fold it.. but I also don't expect him to check snap the river when I'm pretty nutted here.

The main part of the point in question is that I think he should be struggling to play this river with anything except AK, AA.. i.e. what does Stato do here with KK, JJ, AJ and lower ranked hands.. I would be suprised if he does anything but check fold.. - obv I was 'think' shoving any river.. same as I would do with all my value hands.

I realise theres a teeny tiny bit of levelling ITT.. and you're right, the SPR of 4 probably makes it an 'abort' from the off..

I just don't see him flatting most of his range pre vs me in this spot.

crazy?

Sure,

I guess no info on hands was because I wanted to try to 'rep' the top of my range.. and as such to tell in you I had the  and a  is obv bad right from the off.  I wanted to see what people would think about what he will do with his value 4bts which could possibly be as wide as 10's+ AJs+ - esp vs a btn 3bt..?  IMO you only need to throw a few '4bt bluffs' like a 56s or Axs for this to become an easy call pre with any two vs someone who is thinking enough to fold a real hand against an unknown.  (or maybe we're just trying to be a 'hero'..)

I decided to flat the 4bt because I think he is likely to assume that I will 5bt all my AA, KK, QQ, AK type hands initially.. but then I want to use my post flop action to make him realise that I wouldn't in this spot and that by the river I will basically have no value hand worse than AK..

tbh on the river I actually expect him to be cf everything except AK and AA exactly.. optimistic?

When I flat the flop I think we can both still have lots of hands.. Axx r is no excuse for either of us to fold a pair to one bet.  I give him credit for being able to barrell 2 streets with KK although obv he shouldn't be doing this all the time, esp vs an unknown in 4bp.

On the flop I've called because I think that AK is such a small part of his range, that by the river I think I should be able to make him fold the other 90%..  I would even suggest that he will flat AK pre some times as he will expect me to 'bluff' those cards should I not have a value hand.. and if I do have a value hand I 'could' 5bt big to make life hard for him (probably wouldn't though as said above).

On the turn he now "can't" have QQ as we have the blocker and I think our range looks exactly like AK, AQ.. would make sense that we might not want to 5bt a hand like this in pos and risk a 6bt for our stacks when 250bb deep.  We don't make any 'snap' actions in order to rep thinking about all the hands we could have (nuts and nothings) plus we would do this with value as we'd need to think about how to play the hand vs a competent villain.


And then well.. we flat the turn and we just bink what we needed to get a W.. so happy days and we snap his river shove.. with the best hand.  To say Villain wasn't happy is a little understatement..  But isn't our line really nutted?  Should I post his hand yet? or can we discuss my line vs his likely 4bt range/ play first?

John

[FLOP]

Firstly I'd like to say thanks to blonde, its mods and all its posters.. I have been using the site for a while (without being active) and enjoying/ learning and discussing it most days.. with blonde's and non blonde's alike.

Now down to business and its my first post so please be gentle.. (also been playing since 1pm yest and just driven home so might ramble)

Live 1/2 uncapped DTD

We have £400ish (in for £500 Villain is unaware of this) - he covers.  I'll keep names out of it at the moment, this is to check both our lines and my thought process during the hand.. results once a few people have put 'their' ranges up.

7 handed
Villain in question is 'new' to the table, a well known winning DTD reg and we believe a good hand reader both pre and post flop.

Having been called over by another DTD reg villain sits with 600ish

We have the big black thing with the word 'BUTTON' on it (think it means raise in some foreign language) and Villain is in the seat to our right..
We have NO history with villain and no hands..

We have played very few hands in 5-10 orbits and had a few 'decisions' to make, having the clock called in one spot where we played AA's terribly.. n didn't stack KK (nother story).  However the three seats to our right contain 3 DTD 'regs' I believe all winning and we're rather sure they're friendly in the least.  So them passing on any information about us having seen so few flops and appearing quite nitty (cos we was being a nit) are likely to have been passed on.  Potentially that we're 'scared money' and that big bets scare us..

Knowing that Villain is a winning DTD reg in the 1/2's and believe also in the 2/5 we expect him to be thinking about both our hand and what his looks like at all stages.  We don't expect him to spazz or blowup but establishing a table presence when he has pos on who I think he considers to likely be the 'other best players' is more than probable imo.



Hand is as follows..

V opens CO to £7
We 3bt BTN to £19, fold sb, fold bb
V smoothly but not to quick or slowly 4bts to £45
we take 20-30secs or so and slide in some betting discs to match him..

(At this point we aren't surprised to see a 4bt, and we definitely don't think he just has the top few hands)


FLOP
  (suits might be wrong but no biggy)

V cbet of £55, we take our time and call


TURN
think it is still rainbow but I might be wrong about this..

V takes his time, looks us up and down.. as we look at the board and then bets £102

We take a bit more time and put in a £100 and a £2.


River



V swiftly announces an 'All In' bet..





What I'd like to discuss is the likely ranges for both players at each point.. arriving at reasonable bluff/ value ranges given no history, no reason to think either is spewy or out of line and only some limited information that may or may not have been passed on that we seem on the snugger side of things.. possibly even scared money.


I will now sleep and deliberate some more myself on this and post my own reads/ ideas/ ranges and 'plan' for the hand both pre and post (there was a plan with our hand) when I awaken.


I would appreciate all comments/ criticism's about both the hand and the post itself (have to learn somehow).


Thanks,

JB