Yeah this is pretty akward, stack sizes are a complete nightmare.  I think call or fold are optimal here.  3bet/folding to the reg would be bad here because of stack sizes, and as he's a reg we're not in good shape vs his pre ante opening range as it is. (which makes shoving pointless because we're crushed when he calls and the fish is probably going to fold anyway.

We defo don't have odds to set mine but we're not set mining if we call we're just playing the hand in position. 

You can't assume that just because he is a "reg" that he has a really tight opening range to the point where there are no viable aggressive options with 99 playing 30bbs. There are lots of different types of regs; some who open a lot, some who don't etc. and you'll end up making lots of mistakes in mtts by pigeon holing someone as a generic "reg" with no reads and simply assuming that they are only opening 99+ AJ+ for example (although in general it is better to lean on the tighter side if it's a marginal spot)

I wouldn't assume this but if assumptions are all we have then its more likely that he is opening a pretty tight range here out of 30bigs pre antes.  With antes I think this is a lot different but labelling the 'Majority' of regs pre ante as tight would be pretty accurate. 

(Prob why I can't 3bet kings pre antes vs Bear4arms without getting it in vs aces......... )
would you assume in this spot that 'Dean23Price' opening range is going to be a lot different to 'YYR00000815' open?

Yeah this is pretty akward, stack sizes are a complete nightmare.  I think call or fold are optimal here.  3bet/folding to the reg would be bad here because of stack sizes, and as he's a reg we're not in good shape vs his pre ante opening range as it is. (which makes shoving pointless because we're crushed when he calls and the fish is probably going to fold anyway.

We defo don't have odds to set mine but we're not set mining if we call we're just playing the hand in position. 

Agree with Dexter, very much worth watching!  Best of luck in Vegas for all the lads, different thread for the updates sounds great!!

WP Alex!!  What do u do here btw? (other than make another FT?)....

I folded both.

The jacks were obv frustrating. Squeezer had AK. UTG AQ

Surely this is why we should call here?  What do you think the iso's perceived range is in this spot?  We should be in very good shape here?

I agree with the 1010 now, post flop will be just awful, even though we're in position the pot will be so bloated and we will be so uncomfortable with most cbets because of their size etc plus there is going to be terrible boards for our hand!

We should be super happy getting JJ in here, so much of an overlay when this guy ships 13 bigs that the guy literally has to isolate with 66+ and A10+ even KQ IMO.  Our hand is really underrepped here and on a sunday the standard is generally so low that we can expect him to turn up with super weak iso hands.

Interesting to hear KEYS say 1010 is a fold, would you say it would be a big leak to peel here?  I hate this kind of bet sizing with no info because it can range so wide depending on players.

(Don't have hand history as this was about a month ago in 109 comp)

9handed at 125-250 a25, Hero in SB with 4900, folds to HJ who limps, CO raises to 1500 playing 17000, button folds, Hero has AQos with no info.  Would this be a similar spot to the above 1010 or is our decision a lot simpler because we only have 20bb compared to 50+?  And would you fold 1010 if you were playing 10-20bb?

I don't particularly like shoving this many bbs tbh, people can argue shoving up to 20 bigs but I think thats only really correct when ICM matters to your opponents, but I'm happy to shove up to 15 bigs.

Here I think its more profitable to raise/call with 77+, A9+ and KQ.  Reasoning being, even good players spaz out in these spots and 3bet shove hands like a2 and 78ss + so we may as well raise and give them a chance to shove these hands and call when we're in good shape.

A lot of people would shove 22-66 because they are not comfortable raise calling as they're going to be flipping too much vs opponents 'bluffs'.

Remember what the likely outcome is when you shove 17 bigs.....your only going to get called by strong hands (unless its bvb)

WP Alex great grind and ul on final.

I think you lost too big a pot with your K10 hand and it would be interesting to see what others think if you put it on PHA, because when you lead the turn you basically have bluffs and nutted hands imo.  So when the river pairs the 9 i think its a really easy bet/fold because his range is never air and he's not going to raise 9x otr and by checking you lose loads of value from his Jx and even some qx hands which he will check back otr.  I know its easy to say when your not sitting in the seat but you must be used to the pressure i would imagine.  Just wondering what your whole thought process was?

Congrats anyway and GL in Vegas!

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Were the tables split in accordance with aggression factors?  Table 12 has all the nits..............

Fold Pre.

Fold Flop QUicklY!

Really is a gross spot, would only raise out of this stack if players were really bad, vs a table with 3 regs you should definitely jam to balance your range.  Think you can comfortably fold this tbh but it definitely depends how the villains perceive you and if they think you will raise fold out of your stack, or if you'll raise call with weaker hands.

Shoving range with 10-12 bigs in a turbo utg: any pair, a10+, kqos+.

defo 4bet calling pre vs jy.

Don't think flattings bad tho as I'm sure your comfortable post....saying that I dont really understand what your bet size is about on the turn unless your pulling some crazy merge.  You really think he's folding a hand that beats us?  Or just getting a-high to call? Quite intersted in your reasons actually. 

I think this is a pretty easy bet call tbh.  If he's bad enough to limp call from utg then he's bad enough to cshove any jack here.  A lot of these fishy players have no thoughts on what you have they just concentrate on their own hands and if they make a pair or not.  Tons of flush draws we're in good shape against as well i think its a huge leak if we don't call here.

Really hope its not a results orientated post and he actually has a set here but I'm still never folding.

With a limper i make it 3.3x pre every time.

Never checking back this flop vs 2 players, not because of 'scare cards' but purely because we miss value from soooooo many draws.

Tim Chung and Jack Mcdermott updates plssss

Timothy Chung pls dont know his table tho