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$2.50/$5 Zoom No Limit Holdem 
PokerStars 
6 Players 
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com 
 
Stacks: 
UTG  ($283.69) 57bb 
UTG+1  ($437.50) 88bb 
CO  ($885.62) 177bb 
BTN  ($167.04) 33bb 
SB  ($711.94) 142bb 
pleno1 (BB)  ($988.46) 198bb 
 
Pre-Flop: ($7.50, 6 players) pleno1 is BB : : 
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $15, 1 fold, BTN calls $15, 1 fold, pleno1 calls $10 
 
Flop: : : : ($47.50, 3 players) 
pleno1 checks, UTG+1 bets $20, BTN calls $20, pleno1 raises to $60, UTG+1 raises to $100, BTN goes all-in $152.04, pleno1 calls $92.04, UTG+1 goes all-in $422.50, pleno1 calls $270.46 
 
Turn: : ($1,044.54, 3 players, 2 all-in) 
 
River: : ($1,044.54, 3 players, 2 all-in) 
 
Final Pot: $1,044.54 
BTN shows two pair, Aces and Eights 
:ah :ad 
pleno1 shows three of a kind, Eights 
: : 
UTG+1 shows two pair, Tens and Eights 
:ts :tc 
 
pleno1 wins $1,041.74 (net +$604.24) 
 
BTN lost $167.04 
UTG+1 lost $437.50 

I need to start grinding zoom Would kill a little bit of downtime..

Also, I think it's a good idea to grind HU to keep your game sharp. I often play people I feel I'm losing against long run to learn a few lessons.

Interesting...

I can't comment too much on 6 max or PLO, I really haven't played much at all. In NL it's becoming increasingly hard to move up and progress through the midstakes games just because the overall standard is much higher. I very much doubt we'll ever see someone like Jungleman go from NL200-5k in a few months.

There are a lot of solid regulars at 3/6-10/20 just avoiding the variance of the higher games. If you can win say $25k a month grinding those games without hefty swings, why even bother with higher? I wouldn't say those guys are anywhere near the standard as say the 5k regs on 6max at stars (forhayley et al) though. Depending on the network, you can get very soft line ups in the biggest of games... but i'd still say that the higher games on average have a higher level of play. It's just one whale/recreational player runs the action on that table so regs often adjust and play a different strategy from their norm in order to win the fish money.

In terms of HUNL (my speciality!) I wouldn't say there are any massive jumps in skill level until you get to 25/50. 25/50 is the absolute wall in terms of HUNL and if you're beating that particular limit on stars vs regs you are basically top 20 in world. Just look at the guys playing that stake currently and it doesn't lie.. WCG, Ike, Kanu, kaby, I mean how does anyone go from 5/10 to beating those guys? It's a very tough environment. That combined with a lot of networks removing high stakes tables (ipoker, party etc) just makes moving up very difficult.

Agree on the calling of 4bets too wide in PLO - however, it's just so hard not to peel

The 99 vs KK on K92r just seems bad to me if at 100bbs?

My questions is , why are you trying to be anon here ? You don't want readers to know your name, you don't want readers  to know your username online , you don't want to add readers in Skype. Some readers just wanted to sweat and watch you play . I am not  trying to be funny here , but why post for questions and answers BUT readers don't know who the health you are ? #MRANON.. Very annoying you know

Sorry, but if you don't like it don't bother following this thread.

To give away this kind of information and links to my IRL name and online screen names would probably hurt my bottom line. I've learnt a lot from reading others threads so I'm much more careful about what I do and what I say on public forums.

Edit: I'm probably not going to stay anonymous forever, but I will never share screen names and let people sweat me. Hope you understand why.

Oh ok didn't realise SuuPRlim was lil Dave. Have read your blog a couple of times and enjoyed it actually!

Yes it's me! the master of worthless/pointless babble

Yeh I play PLO only, I haven't played online NL in an age, I used to play a lot live NL and I think really deep NL is still my fave type of poker, however I'm a lot weaker than i used to be so it's pretty dangerous *shrugs-shoulders...IT.WAS.SUITED. :S :O 

Have we never met BTW? This is my skype name (Suuprlim) if you ever wanna talk geeky poker strat

Yeh post PLO hands! In fact post more hands!! I like the brutal hands the best lol

No don't think we've met. I don't play loads live and don't really interact much when I do - but this needs to change!

I'm kinda trying to keep my skype poker free for now but I might add you somewhere down the line, if you don't mind

Geeky poker strat is cool with me!

my very very very very, i must stress very uneducated opinion on plo is that everybody is terrible, bluffcatch way too wide, even consider bluff catching way too wide, 3bet way too wide pre flop, call 4bets way too wide pre flop and generally gii way too wide.

wish i knew the game better and could say the above was true and would just short stack plo and try to print.

dat variance though.

I'd disagree. If you play zoom plo now it's a joke how tight the regs play (and there's a lot of regs grinding for vpps).

The fish are too loose etc yeah but you get that in NL too ofc

I've been playing quite alot (for me) of low stakes HU recently, and can definitely understand why you feel like a veteran. I find it really thought intensive compared to MTTs, but I guess thats because I haven't played that much.

It is so much more enjoyable though. The feeling when you're sitting a guy HU and you know he can do nothing but get lucky to win is like no other in Poker lol. Also enjoy it the other way round tbh, because I feel like I have to up my game alot to compete.

They do say HUNL is the purest form of poker 

[I consider players that have been around heads up games as long as me veterans... hardly any of the same guys are playing now compared to when I started. People just seem to fizz out in poker after a couple of good years.]

This is fast becoming one of the best Diaries on here, & I hope it continues.

I'm a little tickled at the use of the word "veteran" for a 25 year old, though.....you would not know me, but I'm a touch older than that. Think I've been playing since you were 10!

Playing pretty much every day for 5 years straight makes you feel old. I'd never played a hand of poker until I was about 18.

I consider players that have been around heads up games as long as me veterans... hardly any of the same guys are playing now compared to when I started. People just seem to fizz out in poker after a couple of good years.

That's actually kind of why I started this thread, to keep motivated and continue to work hard in what is now a very tough environment to make money.

Yes, fair comment. People arrive on the poker scene & then depart pretty soon in most cases, & not so many survive 5 years.

I saw something on Sharkscope the other day which suggested that 22% of Online Players are profitable.  (I assume this excludes cash players). I was quite surprised by that stat, & I'm not even sure I buy it - I assumed the % would be less than that.

Curiously, nearly 100% of Poker Forum users are profitable.

It sounds like you are questioning my legitimacy in this post Can assure you I am a winning player!

Yeah but seriously 22% seems very high

theres a difference between being a winner and being a winner though. i wonder what % of that 22% are actually variance free winners.

Very true. A lot of people are delusional when it comes to poker results. A big winner in say 2008 and 2009 playing now and losing all their winnings + more = a losing player!

Also, anyone can win in a small sample.

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but will you be playing any HU zoom as part of this challenge?

Will probably be refreshing to get away from the 6 max grind whilst gaining those precious VPPs

This is fast becoming one of the best Diaries on here, & I hope it continues.

I'm a little tickled at the use of the word "veteran" for a 25 year old, though.....you would not know me, but I'm a touch older than that. Think I've been playing since you were 10!

Playing pretty much every day for 5 years straight makes you feel old. I'd never played a hand of poker until I was about 18.

I consider players that have been around heads up games as long as me veterans... hardly any of the same guys are playing now compared to when I started. People just seem to fizz out in poker after a couple of good years.

That's actually kind of why I started this thread, to keep motivated and continue to work hard in what is now a very tough environment to make money.

yeah i said elsewhere that galfonds nl game seems really weak atm, sauce hu video vs syous is really good though.

Agreed the Sauce vids are excellent.

With Galfond, just goes to show how quickly someone can demise at a game when it is not their focus. His plo vids are much better imo.

I think Run it Once vids overall are of a pretty poor standard... Far too much online mtt stuff which doesn't really appeal to me, but maybe i'm biased

Oh ok didn't realise SuuPRlim was lil Dave. Have read your blog a couple of times and enjoyed it actually!

Actually just been catching up on some Run it Once videos. Galfond's latest HU Zoom video at NL1k is some of the worst content I've seen him put out which is a real shame. Don't get me wrong, I have a huge amount of respect for Phil and what he's done in the game but his thought processes in HUNL were extremely low level and dated. I guess it's hard for to find people willing to share HU strategy nowadays (I for one would'nt make videos for a site currently)

Ty for the comments so far

what were you trying to raise to!?

Just a min raise. Had action on other sites and somehow managed to jam. I hardly ever misclick, so was nice to be rewarded 

Do you mainly play plo SuuPRlim? Will try and post some PLO hands to keep you entertained if so! PLO game has improved a lot in the last few months but still my weaker game.

First hand history of this thread!

BB: $818.50 (81.9 bb)
Hero (SB): $2,097 (209.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with
Hero raises to $1,228, BB calls $808.50 and is all-in

Flop: ($1,637) (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($1,637) (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($1,637) (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $1,637 pot ($1 rake)
Final Board:
BB showed and lost (-$818.50 net)
Hero showed and won $1,636 ($817.50 net)

#runninggoodwithmisclicks

When I read your opening post I had to check twice that I hadn't written it myself.  Had a very similar past few years playing similar games and similar stakes. 
I definitely found last year tougher than previous ones, the standard in general IMO seems to have improved somewhat. 
I also really struggle to get through books! (been stuck on Shantaram for about a year now)

What are your views on game theory optimal play?  I've never really studied it much but all the players I respect the most (Haxton/Kanu/Sauce) seem to be big advocates of it.
I'm currently remodeling some of my game to be more in line with this fundamental theory.  In my view a lot more players at medium/higher stakes are implementing this strategy and leaks are becoming more difficult to find.

Finally claiming you're a veteran at 25 depresses me somewhat!

25 is pretty old by today's standards!

Personally, an understanding of GTO is quite crucial. Implementing the actually strategy yourself is very difficult however, so I tend to focus on playing exploitatively myself. Try searching some threads on 2+2 and railing some of the big guns, to work out what they are doing (and why obv).

Perhaps we've played? More than likely to have done.