Long time since I got quite as excited watching an English bowler, loved watching the whole attack in 2005, but Archer and Broad at times were just great to watch in this test. Thought Woakes was under bowled a bit when we got carried away with regularly doming them, fun as it was.

Some bits are hard to unpick - 'severe extended delays' seems to only apply to medicines compared to 'up to 85% of lorries delayed for 2 1/2 days'.

I expect the UK customs people have been told to clamp down on incoming medicines especially

Meanwhile Finkelstein in the times on On people who opposed any deal, hoping to stop Brexit:

 http://thetimes.co.uk/article/60119be2-bddf-11e9-8b63-a58ca55a4a3b

Sums up why my real distaste is reserved for the vocal remainers way, way, way ahead of the ERG tin hat brigade

I would say regarding it as a derogatory construct, by implication project fear, was a drastic miscalculation now that it is becoming fact. Consequences of this complacency by leavers particularly those with votes in Parliament to be seen shortly

I'd say its become that but didn't necessarily start as that.

Parliament voted to invoke A50 after May's lancaster house speech that said no deal was better than a bad deal. Ergo, no deal was a serious option at the time when parliament voted to invoke.

You weren't voting to no deal that's for sure. As has been mentioned dozens of times it only emerged as a term in 2017 after the referendum, documented as such in analysis of search engines.

It would of course "be the easiest deal in history"

No deal was a derogatory construct invented to shift focus and obscure matters so it's not a surprise it emerged later. The reason we didn't debate leave with a deal ,with no deal or remain is because the choice was clear, leave all the institutions of the EU or remain in them.

The nature of any future trade arrangements were speculated on but were not questions we were asked so the referendum question was clear and the answer was clear. Old ground but the government pamphlet clearly made this clear choice we had to make, crystal clear at the time, clearly.

The most enjoyable part of the Tory cabinet current posturing - solidarity, collective responsibility etc is that it makes the remain crowd look more than faintly ridiculous - all of them in favour of a GNU as long as it's their brand of unity.

Imagine being a remainer and you're represented by Corbyn, Sturgeon, Swinson, Lucas, and that bloke from Plaid
 

Average wage for Brexit voters is £21,700.

Hardly surprising.

And for Remain?


Probably not much more but comes free with a massive stick up the arse

I admit I was wrong some months ago. You can be funny

It seems no matter what evidence you post to say the EU is in a mess, and it is as good a time as any to leave, the remainers ignore on the comparison of staring over a cliff edge, not knowing how far the drop is.

They seem to ignore that turning back leads into a world of long term hurt, as all the posts on turmoil in the EU economies have shown.

However, they just aren't willing to consider that cliff edge may have very little drop to it, and as the others struggle, we may well prosper in the end.


Yeah, I know wishful thinking, but I feel there is something in it.

We can take it to the bank we would out perform most European economies if measured over and decent future period for the same reasons we've out performed most of them over recent history. I don't even need to post links because.. FACT

If there’s an unavoidable temporary hard border due to EU not being able to navigate a tricky negotiating spot Irish people start murdering each other. That’s the outcome we’re being told is stone cold fact?

A small number of people there need barely any reason so it might not be a fact but some level of disturbance would be inevitable I think.

It's a decent reason for people of good will to do the deal that was agreed at some point and stop blaming others for a potential no deal outcome.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49321430

Double standard sexist bollocks.

Can you image the outrage if someone suggested an all white men solution?

There’s a excellent book called ‘The Descent of Man’ by Grayson Perry. Lots of it is applicable to situations like this. It doe seem to me that no one gets more outraged about stuff than white middle/old aged men.

I'd imagine in this specific case that plenty of Black and Brown women will be fairly dismissive of the nonsense from Lucas - it doesn't outrage me tbf, but confirms how ridiculous even previously sensible seeming politicians actually are.

[there was an aluminium extrusion factory in town so everyone tried to nick suitable tubes]

The dogs do this every day in sticky-bud season.
I don't have the heart to stop them.

Click to see full-size image.

Wow I thought my wee mutt was bad for them She usually finishes the summer looking like she's had a haircut from a blind man, as they get so matted in that  patches need trimmed out.

As for rose-hips my Dad had us out picking them for Mum to make rose hip syrup, soon learned about the itching powder properties

Didn't make peashooters like you though, there was an aluminium extrusion factory in town so everyone tried to nick suitable tubes

Lol Rod, you're another brother from another mother.

How old is that little dog of yours now BTW? It must be at least 4 or 5.

Sorry Red, been away all weekend doing lefty activist stuff with Joe Solo & Richard Jobson of the Skids (excuse the name drop even if no-one else knows them).

Kerry's nearly 12 now, she's just moved house (along with Maw) and she's taken it all in her stride. She was bit overweight for a while, we were trying low fat food etc last year to no avail until sadly Dad passed away, next check-up she was bang on her target weight... Vet asked what had happened, was a bit gobsmacked to be told 'My Dad died'. I did explain he'd gone off his food, we were trying to fatten him up at the same time as slimming the dog, & he was passing the extra nutritious food to the dog as soon as anyone's head was turned

That's a good name drop - couple of classics back in the day

We would be out now if the ERG leave MPs had voted for the WA.

It is simply a half arsed view to blame remainers for the mess when May took the hardest line options in her red lines , did not seek to build consensus and then leavers in parliament decided that the version of Brexit she got wasnt good enough

For the sake of fairness we have to add that Corbyns Labour did not vote in the national interest either on the WA and have been useless too.

Given the EU were OK with the WA, what red lines do you think went too far given the ref campaign and the vote to leave. Genuinely interested.

It's wrong to wholly blame remainers but I think the non-stop effort to reject the result and any form of leaving by a sizable number of MPs and millions outside parliament made sure that the bandwagon kept rolling to this point - pointlessly and unnecessarily so. Perpetually holding out the prospect of ultimately remaining was a poor effort from the people who  notionally want to be the representatives of a Govt of national unity (lol). They may win in the end - still 50:50 I think. I'll care less about the leaving or staying but will be slightly fuming inside and dismayed for the rest of my days at the shenanigans.

Luiz a good bit of business?

Any defender is worth a try in place of what we have, is my view, however it flies in the face of all Kronke Junior said a few weeks ago about low cost young signings, of which only Tierney, of the current signings, seems to fit.

Not a moan, but an observation.

I might throw a tenner at 66s after all.

I've always liked Luiz, hope it works out well

Lol enjoying newsnight interview with former Sainsbury’s CEO and staunch Remainer Justin King

King: There’s going to be significant shortages on the shelves and as soon as that happens shoppers will start stocking up

Interviewer: Have you started stocking up?

King: No I haven’t

Interviewer: Would you?

King: No I don’t think I would

Interviewer: Well why wouldn’t you knowing what you know?

King: Because competition rules will be relaxed and people will act in a more collective way reducing any impact

Interviewer: So you’ve just proven the point that we can cope and there’s nothing to fear?

King: Well we won’t be able to cope if there’s shortages, people will stock up

Interviewer: But you’re not stocking up?

King: No that wouldn’t be the right thing to do

Interviewer: So you’re not believing your own fear?

King: Look there will be shortages and people will stock up

Interviewer: But not you...

LOLS love it!

He was on R4 this morning as well, must be the official remain food shortage spokesman. Towards the end of the interview he went off script from being a subject matter expert to just being another remainer wah wah wahing

Johnson decides to turn Britain into a de facto dictatorship and the forum brexiters giggle.

The choice of remain wordage has been my only source of joy throughout Brexit

Take Boris for eg In just the last 24hrs he’s moved from bumbling hedgehog hair paedo to iron fist dictator

All very hilarious and very incredible

A leader not elected by the people or supported by the people's representatives refuses to step down, mantis still giggles.

Think we can giggle at some theoretical scenarios without losing too much sleep, not that I personally would giggle - Herr Johnson was originally elected by people and then put forward by people's representatives for higher office and then voted for again by people so he has quite the mandate tbf, given how our constitution and the Tory party works these days. One day this mandate will be withdrawn, it might be soon