Hmm.

Lol, you are a very strange character.

Brexit Secretary Steve Barclay confirmed earlier on the BBC news that the UK Government have done no economic analysis of Boris Johnson’s deal. I

Isn't it very strange that he expects MPs to vote for the deal without this?

The answer is 4-6% off GDP by the way compared to no Deal at - 8 and May at - 2/3.

Not really. It was made crystal clear pre Brexit that leaving has short term negative consequences.

The public voted for Brexit knowing this, as it was stuffed down their throats week in, week out in the lead up to the vote.

Find me a person who voted for Brexit not knowing stuff and now changing his mind and I will find you 10 that knew exactly this and still wants to proceed.

That has been the biggest bullshit reason from the outset.

Don't often back twighoppers but very keen on Never Be Enough 4.05 Stratford. Strong traveller who'll love this place and could make a case for him being a stone well in off this mark.

Drifting like the kon-tiki..

Thanks expert.

Cracking 'photo, that.

Having never met him, I have to ask.

Which one is Woodsey?

Addeybb drifting 6/1 now

Must be this Indian summer!

All pretty shitty really. If the other course was totally unraceable fair enough, but I v much doubt it.

The perils of ante post betting.

Doesn't that video show REALLY how much they care about the environment?

Just stood there looking at the carnage, that will need cleaning up. Not bothered that their target has been missed and its going everywhere.

They could have just turned it off but that would be too much like hard work, so just left it.

Once again, does their cause no good, and actually angers me because they are just a different type of scumbag.

Basically a Grade A Plonker

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Two of those are possible though.

Aah, the good old British public. The baying mob only ever a stone's throw away from kicking someone's head in.

Blonde-hair-maroon-coat so pumped on adrenlin towards the end of the clip after sticking his toe cap into some random guy's ribcage. Well done.

He's getting the sack over the next day or so!

My point was solely about the "selfish" comment, because I think the comment about their motivation was wrong.

Whether standing on a tube train at a station most people haven't heard of does the trick and whether getting a shoeing from a few alienated commuters makes them martyrs for a noble cause is another debate entirely.

And this my friend will be the way of the world.

Lots of people happy to make a noise and tell others how bad it is.

However, agreeing to pay 10p in Waitrose for a bag, and doing a bit of household waste recycling isn't going to cut the sort of mustard these individuals are looking for.

Infrastructure has to be completely updated and needs the right people to design it.

In my experience, we can have all the best will in the world, but the minute the word "budget" is introduced, we revert to cost based solutions, and this isn't going to work.

I find it incredible we haven't gone out to the world and asked people to stop breeding like rats. That in turn would probably mean we are pigeon holing certain colours and creeds though and that would never do.

[Disruption and drawing attention to the issue is precisely the point of the protest.]

This effected Trains running into London as far as Birmingham new street, trains cancelled, 100 passengers per carriage. People unable to get on the train as a result. Selfish people!

Let's ignore for a moment weather they are right or wrong, or whether these measures are effective or not, how do you see them as selfish? Surely they are the complete opposite, giving up their time, liberty and in this case health for the greater good.

I'm with Flushy, here. Disruption and drawing attention to the issue is precisely the point of the protest. Whether it is gluing yourself to the entrance of a busy building or throwing yourself in front of a horse, the idea is to cause disruption and generate conversation about the thing they want to highlight.

Whether you, Flushy, Doris in Biggleswade, Mr Smith on his morning commute or I agree with that message is up to us.

Not disagreeing with Flushy's point but:

Isn't this an issue we already know about?

It's a great awareness campaign but isn't it drawing attention to something people already know? In which case, what is the point of the protest? What is the actual result that they want to happen because of the protest?

Because I see a lot of conversation generated about the protest itself, and about the protestors.  But not really very much about how to help control the climate and improve/save biodiversity or greenhouse gas emissions.

Exactly this.

As seen and heard by the Celebs, they all acknowledge this, but none have offered to give up their carbon heavy lifestyle.

Will Tal/Flushy give up any of their first world lifestyle?

Will the ER fanatics go and live in big eco friendly communes and sell up their middle class homes, investing instead in Eco Friendly methods of living?

It's not a great deal,but its better than no deal. Not a fan but he's compromised heavily, and got the EU to do so in other areas so fair enough

There are years of EU negotiations ahead on trade deals, shape of relationship etc, and years with all other trading partners too

but it fulfils the democratic mandate, and that is important as many on here have argued

I would rather we have a blank piece of paper to negotiate than a bit of paper with a load of rules already written and our hands tied behind our back.

What EXACTLY have they achieved though.

Is that particular action going to make anyone act?

All that happens is that people trying to earn a crust who were in quiet agreement, are probably now anti the movement, and less tolerant.

It also gives the non believers the chance to say they are all crackpots.

How about all the money they are wastingputting into this, they put towards lobbying, adverts, petitions, conferences, etc?

This effected Trains running into London as far as Birmingham new street, trains cancelled, 100 passengers per carriage. People unable to get on the train as a result. Selfish people!

Let's ignore for a moment weather they are right or wrong, or whether these measures are effective or not, how do you see them as selfish? Surely they are the complete opposite, giving up their time, liberty and in this case health for the greater good.

Hmmmm

I refuse to believe that even someone as egotistical as Boris is that stupid he thinks any old deal ticks the box.

He will be a hero for the ten minutes until everyone realises he has sold everyone down the river to then become a national figure of hate for the rest of his years.

Surely not?!