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46  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: COVID19 on: April 14, 2020, 01:27:12 PM
Clearly we’re missing a lot as well. The ‘excess deaths’ is huge compared to the ‘deaths with Covid 19’, about 2,500 different.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending3april2020

It seems clear we are over 20,000 fatalities at this moment. Another bad day for that being described as the modelled ‘worst case’ outcome only 9 days ago.

Where’s the good news?
47  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: ***THE OFFICIAL TV SHOW THREAD*** on: April 13, 2020, 08:59:07 PM
Tiger King!

A fked up story of ego’s, rivalry and backstabbing in the world of exotic animal keepers in the US, there are more twists and turns than the Monte Carlo rally. Only half a dozen episodes or so and worth a look for something a bit different.

I thought this was a typically funny sketch about it:




Yeah, not sure I’d watch it before watching the series though, too many spoilers and will take away some of the wtf’s!
48  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: ***THE OFFICIAL TV SHOW THREAD*** on: April 13, 2020, 04:22:12 PM
Tiger King!

A fked up story of ego’s, rivalry and backstabbing in the world of exotic animal keepers in the US, there are more twists and turns than the Monte Carlo rally. Only half a dozen episodes or so and worth a look for something a bit different.
49  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: COVID19 on: April 13, 2020, 01:49:58 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/12/uk-coronavirus-deaths-preventable-government-account

https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1249405601978998785?s=21

Trying to make it about my political view is just deflecting from the reality of an extraordinary failure from the government and their cheerleaders in the media.

The Telegraph headlines are shocking, it’s only 7-8 years ago it was still a respected newspaper. It’s not materially different from the Mail or Express now.

Try reading the articles, rather than sniping at the headlines. They may not match your world view, but there is some proper thinking journalism in there.

Btw, The Grauniad has it’s fair share of ‘bait’ headlines...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/coronavirus-outbreak

Maybe try this one:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/10/doctor-johnson-thousands-deaths-nhs-patient?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

I will, if you’ll try this one

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/12/figuring-uk-death-toll-looks-high-exposes-scaremongering-numbers/?WT.mc_id=e_DM1234229&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_Edi_New_Sub&utmsource=email&utm_medium=Edi_Edi_New_Sub20200413&utm_campaign=DM1234229

‘The figures were gleefully seized upon by the Left-wing press and emblazoned over front pages as evidence that the Government’s strategy has failed’. That’s Kuku all over........
50  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: COVID19 on: April 12, 2020, 08:56:13 PM
The link is explaining why we shouldn’t wait. The time to scrutinise why our response is give or take the world’s worsts so far is now. Afterwards the Tory machine will be all out for ‘that was bad chaps but let’s move on’.

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1249247210287570944?s=21

Do you think labour would have ignored the advice they were being given and done something differently?

I think Labour (what I think Labour would have done is irrelevant but since you asked*) would have acted more in line with almost every other government in the world. The decision was absolutely a political one. The worldwide scientific consensus was overwhelmingly against the view that our government and their scientists chose to pursue.

https://twitter.com/laineydoyle/status/1249127908876128259?s=21

A better question might be ‘what would any government other than one led by Dipshit Johnson have done? It was a bad time to have a post truther in charge, the USA will suffer for the same reason. Although Trump has much less control due to state autonomy, so their ‘leadership’ problem, is smaller.

So you think they would have ignored the advice they were given about what was best for the UK, good to know.......You can’t possibly say what is right or wrong until this has all gone through the wash, don’t pretend otherwise as nobody really knows for certain.

Your angle is clear to see, and confirmed as soon as you mention the word dipshit. You are nothing more than a momentum mouthpiece, Twatter is probably a better place to post this nonsense than on here.

I have never knowingly had anything to do with Momentum. I’m not even really interested in them and don’t really know who they are. We might have supported the same politicians, from very different perspectives, in the past but that’s about it.

A lot of the views you express come from Twitter items which will be rehashed by Momentum.   People read what they want to read - whether you are aware of it or not you are effectively a "Momentum mouthpiece" as Woodsey says

This is nonsense, the only person I’ve ever seen on my Twitter feed who might be linked to Momentum is Faiza Shaheen, I have never seen a  Momentum tweet. I certainly haven’t come across a single word in any form of media on Coronavirus that I believe originated from Momentum.

Your views are very aligned with their thinking and Owen Jones, so whether you read their stuff or not that is how you come across......

It seems a tenuous way to link me to Momentum, lots of the world is wondering wtf the U.K. government were/are thinking.

This is a decent albeit limited synopsis:

] https://bylinetimes.com/2020/04/11/a-national-scandal-a-timeline-of-the-uk-governments-woeful-response-to-the-coronavirus-crisis/?fbclid=IwAR1lOiAmFnCCcdTk55sutSLVxwcKLym-Y8NiCAvzcP4sd7kya4VpF4PZVtA]

Doesn’t matter whether you think it’s tenuous, whether you like it or not your views are very aligned with them.
51  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: COVID19 on: April 12, 2020, 08:36:17 PM
The link is explaining why we shouldn’t wait. The time to scrutinise why our response is give or take the world’s worsts so far is now. Afterwards the Tory machine will be all out for ‘that was bad chaps but let’s move on’.

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1249247210287570944?s=21

Do you think labour would have ignored the advice they were being given and done something differently?

I think Labour (what I think Labour would have done is irrelevant but since you asked*) would have acted more in line with almost every other government in the world. The decision was absolutely a political one. The worldwide scientific consensus was overwhelmingly against the view that our government and their scientists chose to pursue.

https://twitter.com/laineydoyle/status/1249127908876128259?s=21

A better question might be ‘what would any government other than one led by Dipshit Johnson have done? It was a bad time to have a post truther in charge, the USA will suffer for the same reason. Although Trump has much less control due to state autonomy, so their ‘leadership’ problem, is smaller.

So you think they would have ignored the advice they were given about what was best for the UK, good to know.......You can’t possibly say what is right or wrong until this has all gone through the wash, don’t pretend otherwise as nobody really knows for certain.

Your angle is clear to see, and confirmed as soon as you mention the word dipshit. You are nothing more than a momentum mouthpiece, Twatter is probably a better place to post this nonsense than on here.

I have never knowingly had anything to do with Momentum. I’m not even really interested in them and don’t really know who they are. We might have supported the same politicians, from very different perspectives, in the past but that’s about it.

A lot of the views you express come from Twitter items which will be rehashed by Momentum.   People read what they want to read - whether you are aware of it or not you are effectively a "Momentum mouthpiece" as Woodsey says

This is nonsense, the only person I’ve ever seen on my Twitter feed who might be linked to Momentum is Faiza Shaheen, I have never seen a  Momentum tweet. I certainly haven’t come across a single word in any form of media on Coronavirus that I believe originated from Momentum.

Your views are very aligned with their thinking and Owen Jones, so whether you read their stuff or not that is how you come across......
52  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: COVID19 on: April 12, 2020, 05:01:43 PM
We are back to the clowns in the media asking for apologies.

These questions in the daily briefing  are becoming more and more pointless.

They should vet the questions beforehand and only allow those to be asked that are relevant and not repetitive.
53  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: COVID19 on: April 12, 2020, 01:01:40 PM
The link is explaining why we shouldn’t wait. The time to scrutinise why our response is give or take the world’s worsts so far is now. Afterwards the Tory machine will be all out for ‘that was bad chaps but let’s move on’.

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1249247210287570944?s=21

Do you think labour would have ignored the advice they were being given and done something differently?

I think Labour (what I think Labour would have done is irrelevant but since you asked*) would have acted more in line with almost every other government in the world. The decision was absolutely a political one. The worldwide scientific consensus was overwhelmingly against the view that our government and their scientists chose to pursue.

https://twitter.com/laineydoyle/status/1249127908876128259?s=21

A better question might be ‘what would any government other than one led by Dipshit Johnson have done? It was a bad time to have a post truther in charge, the USA will suffer for the same reason. Although Trump has much less control due to state autonomy, so their ‘leadership’ problem, is smaller.

So you think they would have ignored the advice they were given about what was best for the UK, good to know.......You can’t possibly say what is right or wrong until this has all gone through the wash, don’t pretend otherwise as nobody really knows for certain.

Your angle is clear to see, and confirmed as soon as you mention the word dipshit. You are nothing more than a momentum mouthpiece, Twatter is probably a better place to post this nonsense than on here.
54  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: COVID19 on: April 12, 2020, 12:43:25 PM
The link is explaining why we shouldn’t wait. The time to scrutinise why our response is give or take the world’s worsts so far is now. Afterwards the Tory machine will be all out for ‘that was bad chaps but let’s move on’.

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1249247210287570944?s=21

Do you think labour would have ignored the advice they were being given and done something differently?
55  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: COVID19 on: April 12, 2020, 12:39:40 PM
What did I do to the quote function? Let’s not post like a morbid whingebag again.

FYP
56  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: COVID19 on: April 12, 2020, 12:36:59 PM
"Will you apologise......" questions even top the inanity of "shouldn't you have done x sooner" questions.


The demanding an apology is inane, I agree. They’re going to have to get used to the ‘sooner’ question though. Even now, we could still implement a lockdown. I’m surprised you thought that point from the Swedish epidemiologist was clever, it really isn’t, all that anybody means when criticising a failure to act ‘sooner’, is inexplicably waiting to act, it’s perfectly valid. In the next 10 days we will be well clear for most deaths in Europe (and 2nd most known in the world), so people won’t stop asking the ‘sooner’ question.

Still no improvement in the government trotting out massively wrong numbers, with no explanation for why they’re wrong. Can’t they just watch Sturgeon and see how easy it is?



I don't think it's clever. I just think the line of why didn't you do something is pointless. It doesn't achieve anything that helps us into the future. In the future there may be legitimate reasons for a forensic review of decision making every step of the way. In fact I'm sure there will be, but even that will be better done by people with some expertise rather than journos.

Exactly that. Do the handwringing later, lets focus on getting through as best we can.

Morbid whingebags can always find something to moan about on yahoo.

Morbid whingebag I like that  Cheesy
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A weird quoting fail, must have accidentally deleted a bracket somewhere.

One of the few remaining decent journalists explains it well.

[url][https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1249247210287570944?s=21/url]

Since you’re here, we also shouldn’t disregard the extent to which our response has been influenced by how much our country has been enfeebled, both economically and politically, by Brexit.

As has been said a few times one way or another, now isn’t the time for being a morbid wingebag and criticising just for the sake of it because you don’t like the Tories. Let what happen happen and it will all come out in the wash later......

The only thing that the link I posted is doing, is explaining, from first hand experience, why that view is nonsense.

I’m not referring to one particular post or link, just generally over the last few weeks.
57  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: COVID19 on: April 12, 2020, 12:32:26 PM
"Will you apologise......" questions even top the inanity of "shouldn't you have done x sooner" questions.


The demanding an apology is inane, I agree. They’re going to have to get used to the ‘sooner’ question though. Even now, we could still implement a lockdown. I’m surprised you thought that point from the Swedish epidemiologist was clever, it really isn’t, all that anybody means when criticising a failure to act ‘sooner’, is inexplicably waiting to act, it’s perfectly valid. In the next 10 days we will be well clear for most deaths in Europe (and 2nd most known in the world), so people won’t stop asking the ‘sooner’ question.

Still no improvement in the government trotting out massively wrong numbers, with no explanation for why they’re wrong. Can’t they just watch Sturgeon and see how easy it is?



I don't think it's clever. I just think the line of why didn't you do something is pointless. It doesn't achieve anything that helps us into the future. In the future there may be legitimate reasons for a forensic review of decision making every step of the way. In fact I'm sure there will be, but even that will be better done by people with some expertise rather than journos.

Exactly that. Do the handwringing later, lets focus on getting through as best we can.

Morbid whingebags can always find something to moan about on yahoo.

Morbid whingebag I like that  Cheesy
[/]

A weird quoting fail, must have accidentally deleted a bracket somewhere.

One of the few remaining decent journalists explains it well.

[url][https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1249247210287570944?s=21/url]

Since you’re here, we also shouldn’t disregard the extent to which our response has been influenced by how much our country has been enfeebled, both economically and politically, by Brexit.

As has been said a few times one way or another, now isn’t the time for being a morbid wingebag and criticising just for the sake of it because you don’t like the Tories. Let what happen happen and it will all come out in the wash later......

You even fked up the quoting thing for me.......
58  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: COVID19 on: April 12, 2020, 12:08:07 PM
"Will you apologise......" questions even top the inanity of "shouldn't you have done x sooner" questions.


The demanding an apology is inane, I agree. They’re going to have to get used to the ‘sooner’ question though. Even now, we could still implement a lockdown. I’m surprised you thought that point from the Swedish epidemiologist was clever, it really isn’t, all that anybody means when criticising a failure to act ‘sooner’, is inexplicably waiting to act, it’s perfectly valid. In the next 10 days we will be well clear for most deaths in Europe (and 2nd most known in the world), so people won’t stop asking the ‘sooner’ question.

Still no improvement in the government trotting out massively wrong numbers, with no explanation for why they’re wrong. Can’t they just watch Sturgeon and see how easy it is?



I don't think it's clever. I just think the line of why didn't you do something is pointless. It doesn't achieve anything that helps us into the future. In the future there may be legitimate reasons for a forensic review of decision making every step of the way. In fact I'm sure there will be, but even that will be better done by people with some expertise rather than journos.

Exactly that. Do the handwringing later, lets focus on getting through as best we can.

Morbid whingebags can always find something to moan about on yahoo.

Morbid whingebag I like that  Cheesy
59  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: COVID19 on: April 12, 2020, 08:04:13 AM
I live in an apartment block which is a gated community. There has been strict regulations put in place since January 23rd.  These included scanning a QR code with personal details , address , passport number etc .
This was to help to see if you been out of China or even out of the City , you had to scan similar QR code’s to enter shopping malls , restaurants, bars etc .
 Non residents were not allowed in and you had to collect any type of deliveries outside the security gate. 
You temperature was also taken every time you entered the complex .

Food deliveries were allowed to be delivered to the door 2 weeks ago which was a good sign things may be getting better , and tonight after I returned home from work they are no longer txoi g temperature checks. 
This is almost 3 months down the line but it appears things are getting back to normal now .   There were very strict rules in place from the start which you had to follow but it seems to be worth the while .
I wish other countries would follow suit and stay home for such a short time which is worth it in the long run

The problem is the ambiguity in the rules of our ‘lockdown’. Everyone can keep going to work, everyone is allowed out to exercise, everyone can go to packed supermarkets, incoming flights from most of the other worst afflicted places, public transport still running. No checks of any kind in terms of the screening you mention. I’m pleased you seem to be through the worst of it out there, fingers crossed that things keep going well.

Love the notion that the Chinese authorities locked down to this degree on 23rd January on the back of 25 reported deaths at the time



It was probably around a week later the more stringent measures  were put into place.


I don’t think anybody really believes the true stats that China are putting out there, they were obviously trying to cover it up at the start until they realised they couldn’t. What’s your thoughts from your perspective?
60  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: COVID19 on: April 10, 2020, 01:35:00 PM

I’d forgotten about that stumbling tackle (toward the top of the replies), so good 😂.

Haha, apparently he' a great tennis player though

I can believe he’s a decent tennis player. I used to think I had a big competitive sporting advantage over most people just by being faster and fitter but I’ve been schooled by some serious fatties at tennis and badminton over the years. I think at a very amateurish level, racquet sports are not bad for the cumbersome.

True that, Had a gigantic colleague who was pretty incredible at squash

I was a pretty good squash player back in the day, haven’t played for 10 years though. Give me 1 practice session and I bet I’d still school most people casual players (not regular clubs players). You don’t really lose the racket skill that much but the fitness would be a problem, that said I wouldn’t be the one doing most of the running unless they were decent......
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