now that I understand kin's one I still think it's a horrible ruling. if you rule the hand dead then you are saying that deliberately exposing your hand is the same as folding. you can't give people penalties for folding
assuming the house rule is that you cannot show your hand then either it's a fold and you have no penalty or the hand is still live and you give a penalty after the hand for exposing cards but not a combination
if there were more than 2 players in the hand then ruling it as a fold and giving a penalty is acceptable as you're affecting the future action in the hand
If I think I am against a player who can fold a non-nut flush I am re-popping on the flop.
There is a case for folding the flop. Against this opponent I would flat and see the turn. Fold if he leads for the pot into me. Take a free card if it's checked.
I think the stack sizes are key, fold and play with 17k or call and have 12k. The difference between these stacks will not severely affect your tournament chances at this stage. If you peel the turn and it pairs up you will have 27k if he folds and 39k if he doubles you up. I like the sound of 39k here and I am calling the flop.
If I call and he pots the turn into me, I pass and hold on with the 12k for a double through.
An inexperienced player limping, calling a raise, then donking the pot into the raiser on a monotone board.
How likely is it that he 'taking a stab'?
He has a made hand almost always, most likely a flush. For all we know he might be worried about a fourth diamond coming.
He seems to love his hand. If we repot, he will usually call. If we flat, he is likely to pot the turn. In the unlikely event that he is 'taking a stab' will he bluff again on the turn? I don't think so.
If you raise the flop you are making a decision to get it all in with top set now. If you started the hand with 19k, then you have 17,200 facing the flop bet. Unless antes are involved his pot-bet would have been for 4500 if you raised to 1800 preflop.
Do you want to risk 17,200 + yr tournament life to win 21,700? Hoping that he has the unlikely underset or that the board will pair? When you hold a ten already? Hell no. Even without factoring in how much yr tournament life is worth you would still be looking for 44% in a spot where the board pairs 33% of the time. If you didn't have the ten it pairs almost 37% of the time.
What if you flat the flop? If the board pairs you will be able to get yr stack in with two half-pot-ish bets on turn and river a lot of the time. In this case you pay 4500 on the flop to win 9000 plus the rest of your stack (17,200). 4,500 to win 26,200. You're looking for an equity of 14.6%, if he always pays you. There are 45 cards we haven't seen. 6 of them pair the board. There is only a 13.3% of filling up on the turn. Our implied odds are not nearly good enough.
If the board doesn't pair, and he bets again, you have to decide whether you want to go all in with top set. By this time there will be 13,500 in the middle and you will have 12,700 behind. When he bets, you will be offered a price of 26,200-12,700, and you will be looking for an equity of 32.6%. The board pairs on the river only 20.5% of the time.
Top set is valuable in this spot against an experienced player with a wide range, where we have fold equity versus some low flushes and may already be ahead. But an inexperienced player usually has a flush, and is usually not folding. We do not have the odds we need to try and fill up, and we have no need to 'gamble'. The optimum strategy is to preserve our stack by folding on the flop.
Rush keeper meant you could play out. Stick keeper was usually if it was an odd number of players, e.g 5 vs 6, the team with 6 players would have stick keeper who wasn't allowed out. We had monkey rush, but I don't remember if it was different to rush could be that anyone is keeper without nominating.
I do so love sight hounds. Especially lurchers with a little bull blood in them... or Bedlington x whippets... or saluki x collie x greyhound....
Great whippet pic btw. My dad has a terrific little whippet named Pal. He was as nesh as a newborn baby and an inveterate thief, but he could do a score of coney on the lamp without breaking a sweat.
Can you tell us more about the part I have italicised, & explain what the enboldened part means, please.
A score of coney on the lamp? Quite so.
I love lamp.
A score is 20. Coney is rabbit. Lamp I am stuck with. I'd guess a field.
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