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16  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 12, 2019, 08:20:05 PM
Sat here watching the BBC news and its borderline scandalous the negativity being spread is foolhardy and somewhat dangerous.

Talk of rioting on the streets does no one any good.

If only Andy McDonald was as well briefed as Blonde.

So true, it will be the fear of looting next, then riots and looting will be played out

Remain approach/rhetoric right from the start has been a real eye opener. Let’s keep pushing worst case thinking, so socially responsible

If you don’t agree with something these days then green light to disrupt to the max. I also see on the news that climate protesters are going to bring Heathrow to a standstill flying drones. Find this attitude all very French really.

Looting for the last fresh tomato gonna be a thing

The BBC coverage on the ten o’clock news last night was bang out of order.

It the old tactic of portraying the worst case scenario findings as expected to happen.


once again the title change: Original doc was the 'base scenario', a month ago and they have changed to 'reasonable worse case scenarios".

We knows there are other, longer more detailed docs govt not published either

It was published like 6 weeks ago. It's an organic process. The title is only accurate/relevant if you're saying zero progress has been made to mitigate as the deadline draws close.

It's six weeks until your holiday and your suitcase is stone cold empty. But what's this? The day before you travel it's full of clothes and amber solaire. Yet for accuracy you must still call it an empty suitcase?!?

desperate stuff.  Have you ever worked on a project (that wasn't an unmitigated disaster)?

The document was written to highlight likely risks.  If action is taken to reduce the risk it should be detailed in an accompanying document.  It is crystal clear that the document was renamed to sync with the government lies about it when it was leaked.

Only to say when you're ordered to publish specific confidential documents you probably don't voluntarily add bonus accompanying confidential documents for free.

It's like being stopped flying back from your holiday in Colombia and security asking you to open a specific suitcase. You don't open all your suitcases, empty your hand luggage, pull your pants down, squat on the floor and start coughing.

the government have now allocated like £8b to prep so taking a guess I'd say action is being taken to reduce risk and any document is out of date on the day of publication.
17  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 12, 2019, 01:26:31 PM
This is a great piece of analysis by Beth Rigby

Boris Johnson has provoked a culture war he might come to regret

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-boris-johnson-has-provoked-a-culture-war-he-might-come-to-regret-11806666

Is it a great piece of analysis or simply unfounded personal opinion?

The analysis part is e.g. the polls show twice as many voters think he makes a better PM than his closest rival. Which is qualified by pure speculation "But the confrontations which are coming could prove so divisive and radical that many of those middle of the road voters think Mr Johnson is too big a gamble as prime minister"

The analysis part is e.g. "Paula Surridge, political sociologist at the University of Bristol says the evidence suggests the fifth of voters with weak or no Brexit identity are leaning to the Conservatives". Which is qualified by the illogical "But his entire success or failure is predicated on leaving the EU on 31 October"

I think criticism of any PM is comical when the challenge is illustrated like this "There will be angry clashes in the Commons if he does bring back a deal. And if he doesn't? The conflicts will become uglier still"

As an aside when talking about the 21 Tory MP's heartlessly expelled do we need to keep referring to "Winston Chruchill's grandson"? It's the kind of introduction people get when they enter Celebrity Big Brother. I'm sure Andy Murray's mum started all this, whatever her name is.

18  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 12, 2019, 01:05:01 PM
Sat here watching the BBC news and its borderline scandalous the negativity being spread is foolhardy and somewhat dangerous.

Talk of rioting on the streets does no one any good.

If only Andy McDonald was as well briefed as Blonde.

So true, it will be the fear of looting next, then riots and looting will be played out

Remain approach/rhetoric right from the start has been a real eye opener. Let’s keep pushing worst case thinking, so socially responsible

If you don’t agree with something these days then green light to disrupt to the max. I also see on the news that climate protesters are going to bring Heathrow to a standstill flying drones. Find this attitude all very French really.

Looting for the last fresh tomato gonna be a thing

The BBC coverage on the ten o’clock news last night was bang out of order.

It the old tactic of portraying the worst case scenario findings as expected to happen.


once again the title change: Original doc was the 'base scenario', a month ago and they have changed to 'reasonable worse case scenarios".

We knows there are other, longer more detailed docs govt not published either

It was published like 6 weeks ago. It's an organic process. The title is only accurate/relevant if you're saying zero progress has been made to mitigate as the deadline draws close.

It's six weeks until your holiday and your suitcase is stone cold empty. But what's this? The day before you travel it's full of clothes and amber solaire. Yet for accuracy you must still call it an empty suitcase?!?
19  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 12, 2019, 09:04:18 AM
Sat here watching the BBC news and its borderline scandalous the negativity being spread is foolhardy and somewhat dangerous.

Talk of rioting on the streets does no one any good.

If only Andy McDonald was as well briefed as Blonde.

So true, it will be the fear of looting next, then riots and looting will be played out

Remain approach/rhetoric right from the start has been a real eye opener. Let’s keep pushing worst case thinking, so socially responsible

If you don’t agree with something these days then green light to disrupt to the max. I also see on the news that climate protesters are going to bring Heathrow to a standstill flying drones. Find this attitude all very French really.
20  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: Things that piss you off! on: September 12, 2019, 07:24:30 AM
Women golfers
21  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 11, 2019, 10:52:23 PM
One example

Yellowhammer doc confirms that there would be medical supply shortages in event of no deal because they’re so dependent on Dover crossing. They say the govt cannot stockpile all the medicines that we need.


Yep they confirm that the problem is the reliance on a single route...not the global availability of goods

So a big benefit of Brexit is that our reliance on a single route can be drastically mitigated...thus solving the problem EU membership brings

But the cost/time of the other routes drive the cost of goods up. Also, no matter how many routes you're using, won't one of them be your most reliant?

numerous competitors drive price down. For sure there are logistical challenges and transportation issues but they’re for the supplier to solve if they want to add a big chunk of commerce to their bottom line. I don’t think that the stress is on government to provide solutions in natural business. Added supply costs can be absorbed by reduced margins from competing businesses. We might even see a variety of ports spring back into life for the benefit of costal communities. Customer habits are more fluid these days and Boris just needs to compares the meerkat for medical every year like insurance or energy.
22  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 11, 2019, 09:15:45 PM
One example

Yellowhammer doc confirms that there would be medical supply shortages in event of no deal because they’re so dependent on Dover crossing. They say the govt cannot stockpile all the medicines that we need.


Yep they confirm that the problem is the reliance on a single route...not the global availability of goods

So a big benefit of Brexit is that our reliance on a single route can be drastically mitigated...thus solving the problem EU membership brings
23  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 11, 2019, 05:45:35 PM
Yes, that's what the English court said but whatever else it might mean in practice, senior judges in Scotland have ruled the the Prime Minister deliberately tried to frustrate Parliament for his own ends, then lied about it to the Queen and the country. 

Interesting times. Normally that would obviously play pretty badly but in this people v politicians type environment presumably it doesn't play badly to his core vote..ie he did it as a means to an end which is to get Brexit through with no further delays

I probably am part of his core vote to be fair  Wink

Are we not saying that the Queen is pretty thick if she has been misled on this though?

Also based on that paragraph, his motives were politically driven, so he is allowed to prorogue as he see's fit?

It’s a formality that she approves it, it was always going to be for the courts to decide if she was misled. I don’t think anyone doubts the reasons that were given are dishonest. The Supreme Court case will be interesting for sure.

EU decide how UK should operate on a range of issues
Remain decide what’s best for UK despite referendum
Courts decide what our Queen was thinking

Kinda see a pattern here..
24  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 10, 2019, 10:40:43 PM
Feel a bit more hopeful of a deal than a couple of days ago, especially after the Boris visit and speech in Dublin.

It stops Boris writing that letter /resigning or being carted off to Jail.

 It means we leave (ish) on Halloween as promised.

Any concessions on the May/EU deal will surely give a huge incentive for MPs on all sides to vote it through mid October and finally move into the transitional phase.  #compromise !

What is interesting is the Chatter that he will stuff the DUP and go for a NI only backstop. Of course now he doesn't need their votes in Parliament, he is a lot freer to stiff them.

There are downsides. NI would be exempt from the UK’s trade deals. There’d have to be customs checks between NI and GB as well as checks between the EU single market (NI) and GB single market (not NI). It could be the first concrete step to a united Ireland.

But it might get a deal done

There are upsides too...

Potentially good news for them Irish dairy cows.

Hopefully not all 45k will be slaughtered now.
25  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 10, 2019, 04:35:56 PM
tbf when Leave reminisce about the good old days Remain start chatting about Union Jack bunting and Victorian street parties

But I like nostalgia and even remember way back to when Tikay used to post in his diary
26  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 10, 2019, 12:36:00 PM
This is the most popular thread on Blonde

I went round my mother in law’s house last week and watched an episode of Peaky Blinders

The amount of times she said it was appalling, violent, scenes of sexual nature, copious drug use, absolutely disgusting.

She watches every Sunday. Her favourite character is Arthur.
27  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 10, 2019, 08:45:31 AM
I generally think investment in health and social care is pretty chunky in the UK and as a traditional vote winner I’m confident any government wouldn’t strip it back too aggressively

If we accept austerity enforced spending constraints but criticise the balance of spending what specific areas should we have reduced to boost health spending? Education? Defence, Policing? Seems most areas could impact future mortality rates...
28  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 09, 2019, 07:26:08 PM
Tory critics say austerity was poor policy because it killed people. But wasn’t it good economic policy?

Now Tory critics say increased spending is poor economic policy. But won’t it save lives?
29  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 09, 2019, 02:36:52 PM
The people can’t deliver democracy in the manner required? Required by whom? Not the people clearly...

I am one of the world’s best musicians but people buying tunes don’t deliver the sales in the manner required

I am an amazing artist but people don’t deliver the appreciation in the manner required

I am the best looking man in history but women aren’t able to see it in the manner required
30  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 09, 2019, 11:08:01 AM
Yah but the pertinent question is why did austerity exist.

Saying Tories implemented austerity without just cause isn’t valid.

Labour and economic disaster were the drivers

Think it’s fair to contest a policy of continuing to spend on public services when there’s no money.

In fact doing so probably compounds the issues because public money is being used for interest payments rather than hospital beds
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