Talk of Boris not appointing a commissioner that would put EU in legal breach meaning they couldn’t operate.

Prob why Macron is going to veto an extension.

that is not the case

once there was the decision to leave, there were strategies (softer red lines) and tactics (no election, no pro-roguing parliament, ERG voting for the WA) that could have avoided this at multiple points over the last few years

No one comes out of it with credit, not least the remainers who also voted against the WA especially those in the Labour party who i would think will be roundly punished at the election for doing so, but to say that they are being divisive now when they are acting in the national interest to avoid no deal (and protect parliamentary sovereignty in doing so)..NOTE not trying to stop leaving with a deal, really does take the biscuit.

The government, the ERG and hard leavers in general have to own this, and won't.

Easier to blame the other side. Plus ca change.

They are not acting in the national interest because it’s the ongoing uncertainty that’s crippling national interest

For your point to be valid you have to be 100% EU never blinks before deadline

With softer rhetoric from EU leaders and pressure being applied from their side it’s very obvious they were shifting uncomfortably in their continental loafers

If we had a second referendum Brexit would not be over. We either go back to square one and Remain still think they know best. Or Millions vote for Leave again but narrowly lose out...

Every incident from that day forward is because we stayed in. All social infrastructure issues, Housing shortages, NHS funding, school places, crime, future euro bailouts, EU army, entangled in the future collapse, Euro currency misfortune, deterioration of relationships elsewhere eg US/China, any problems at all and it’s because we didn’t respect the first result. The split has happened and it won’t ever heal. Wonder if Remain ever consider the ‘after care’ of their divisive behaviour?

Much as I'm against a second ref in principle - I'm really concerned that a GE at this time will reinforce even more strongly the divisions that exist in the country over something that was a non-issue for most voters 4 or 5 years ago.

Making a GE about a single issue may suit both major parties at the moment in their scramble to Govern but it seems a really bad idea. The electorate are not going to be presented with a serious choice around a raft of issues, instead, parties (particularly on the remain side but perhaps on the Brexit side too) will seek to gerrymander the result through various pacts - principle and conviction seems to have gone so far out the window that it's hard to imagine it climbing back in.

I can't imagine any GE outcome that would ensure a sensible Brexit approach across parliament. I have complete disdain for all MPs on the extreme remain side, Labour have been a huge disappointment to me since the 2017 election. The Tory approach of excluding the rest of parliament for a couple of years of the process to pander to their nutter wing has been a huge disappointment too. I don't think I want to vote for any of them in a GE, particularly if my choices have been manipulated in advance.

Reluctantly (for the nth time since this process began) I'm starting to think that a ref is the best way forward even if we've been manipulated into this view by the political classes.

I think all the value will be with the party who campaigns hard for domestic issues

That's Corbyn (and I am not a fan) anti corporate, NHS, anti austerity, renationalisation particularly of rail all poll very well

The man is the problem, not the unpopularity of his policies

Disagree. I think Brits are in the mood to roll up sleeves and get shit done. Corbs calling for strikes and protests in Brexit perhaps general strike, nationalisation, high tax, Jewish racialism, comrade leftie, utter vagabond, avoid election, flip flop Brexit position, powder blue jacket. The man hasn’t got a prayer. The leader defines the party and they should be sailing ahead in the polls.

Anyhow the ‘end of austerity’ strat and extra spending means BoJo has beat him to it. If Boris can get himself in cuffs fighting to deliver Brexit for the people it will be gold.

Much as I'm against a second ref in principle - I'm really concerned that a GE at this time will reinforce even more strongly the divisions that exist in the country over something that was a non-issue for most voters 4 or 5 years ago.

Making a GE about a single issue may suit both major parties at the moment in their scramble to Govern but it seems a really bad idea. The electorate are not going to be presented with a serious choice around a raft of issues, instead, parties (particularly on the remain side but perhaps on the Brexit side too) will seek to gerrymander the result through various pacts - principle and conviction seems to have gone so far out the window that it's hard to imagine it climbing back in.

I can't imagine any GE outcome that would ensure a sensible Brexit approach across parliament. I have complete disdain for all MPs on the extreme remain side, Labour have been a huge disappointment to me since the 2017 election. The Tory approach of excluding the rest of parliament for a couple of years of the process to pander to their nutter wing has been a huge disappointment too. I don't think I want to vote for any of them in a GE, particularly if my choices have been manipulated in advance.

Reluctantly (for the nth time since this process began) I'm starting to think that a ref is the best way forward even if we've been manipulated into this view by the political classes.

I think all the value will be with the party who campaigns hard for domestic issues

The big advantage for Boris and defining his Brexit position so definitively at the start is he can leave Brexit behind on the campaign trail

The opposition will still be in Brexit fever mode and Boris is dishonest and shouts at his mrs

They did fall for the trap. The trap was to show the public who’s causing further delay, who isn’t letting the electorate decide.

Possibly but the legislation is to stop no deal, not to stop leaving with a deal.

Brexit party apart, and not all leavers are that end of opinion, what was the appetite for no deal away from Westminster?

Will find that out when we vote.

The argument has been twisted to suggested support for No Deal...which is pure fantasy...and actually all the fuss shows how effective the strategy was working. We can’t forget that once exit date was set the default position was no deal so everything Boris has done was to agitate a deal. I’m confident the electorate appreciate that and not the opposition spin.

In fact the reason for spinning it like this is because the opposition have zero plausible alternatives to present. Let me ask for clarity...the exit date is set...the default position is leave...you don’t agree with forcing EU’s hand...so how do you get an improved/accepted deal by the exit date?

They did fall for the trap. The trap was to show the public who’s causing further delay, who isn’t letting the electorate decide.

You didn’t say good night Adz

Good night everyone

BREAKING: Amber Rudd the cabinet minister has resigned the Conservative whip and plans to run as an independent Conservative at the general election. See the Sunday Times

Says he is not serious about getting a deal and she asked to see the strategy, which was not forthcoming.

More about the cull of colleagues. Yet Boris was quite correct to take that step. It’s division that’s cost us dear and produced this stalemate where individuals are putting personal view above team unity. Only the power of numbers and teamwork can deliver progress in this unique situation so the leader should expect it or force it by changing personnel.

Being serious about a deal is a moot point at the current stage of negotiations. The other side said no more negotiating & no amendments to original rejected offer. So get serious about what? Do what? The only thing he could do to show seriousness was set a firm deadline and wait for the other side to blink. But we render the man impotent, take away his only tool to be serious about a deal and then say he’s not serious about a deal.

Well nobody talked openly about cancelling Brexit.

The leftie position was always leave and respecting referendum result.

Then JCorbs suddenly flip flops to remain whilst calling Boris dishonest.

When Tories suggest it was Labour’s spending spree that left the country busto and forced austerity the left stroke their beards and point to global economic meltdown. So don’t really figure how global economic meltdown and Labour spending forcing austerity means Tories kill people.

Now if the uncertainty of Brexit is killing people we all know who’s extending that problem.

its fine as a marketing strategy, but its not based in fact and as such I wonder about the corporate governance. My only point.

I am weird and possibly ridiculous. I refuse to set foot in a Wetherspoons because of the views of Tim Martin.

So obviously I am not the target market :-)

So you would walk past a more economical option to spend more elsewhere because of a matter of principle. Cost yourself money because you don’t agree with the philosophy of the people controlling an organisation. Well well.

Yeah but the price of this commodity is going down which doesn’t fit the narrative and thus must be unfair or wrong on some level..

Let’s not celebrate it as evenly as we gasp at prices going up.

lol 😂 :

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/06/boris-johnson-twilight-zone-police-escort-conservatives?fbclid=IwAR0Aibifv6forQtdSJakXvDdUClxYDnNxfLoUZchrBqrRa6ZsWwkK3y7u8o

Dipshit’s Majority out to 2’s, that’s only going one way and worth factoring that mug money will still be in at that price, so it is unrealistically short.

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/overall-majority

Boris is a terrible liar and I have “read the Guardian about twice in my life”

lol, calm down thickie, I obviously read her article every week, it’s nearly always hilarious, it hardly constitutes ‘reading the Guardian’.

My mistake. You read articles in the Guardian every week but you never read the Guardian. Apologies for my misunderstanding.

lol 😂 :

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/06/boris-johnson-twilight-zone-police-escort-conservatives?fbclid=IwAR0Aibifv6forQtdSJakXvDdUClxYDnNxfLoUZchrBqrRa6ZsWwkK3y7u8o

Dipshit’s Majority out to 2’s, that’s only going one way and worth factoring that mug money will still be in at that price, so it is unrealistically short.

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/overall-majority

Boris is a terrible liar and I have “read the Guardian about twice in my life”