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61  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 03, 2019, 09:26:09 PM
Listen up EU27...

...if any of you fuckers have the temerity to consider leaving our protection

...you better stock up on your body bags!

If Carlsberg did EU propaganda
62  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 03, 2019, 06:03:30 PM
Boris's approach is illogical.

 why we in the UK are not supposed to be frightened of 'no deal' at the same time as this very same 'no deal' is supposed to scare the EU into major concessions?

He could well be very stuck shortly. No deal ruled out later tonight, Labour then don't vote for an election he then has what options?

What options do the people have?

Just watch these ridiculous games being played out to force complete deadlock upon us

If no deal is ruled out through legislation the EU can just keep us in as they please. What options would the UK have? People can’t even vote to change government in a GE. Sure leaving is scary but we have lots of options as a country.
63  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 03, 2019, 05:55:38 PM
Didn't we try to do it properly, but the deal proposed wasn't good enough. Almost feels like now we are looking No deal squarely in the face, plenty out there feeling they shouldn't have been so rash to vote against the original deal now......


This Phillip Lee is a disgrace isn't he?

One thing to be against what's going on, but to claim he still loves his party but he doesn't recognise its values etc and join Lib Dem is disgraceful. Are their values even the old Tory values, he is still wanting? Of course not. Just trying to make a name for himself.

I hope his local constituents chuck the disloyal self righteous turncoat out, asap.

I thought he showed considerable flair to do it in the middle of Boris's speech. Nicely dramatic.

Thinking of the country's best interest, in his opinion, and not his own career, which most MPs haven't done.

His constituents voted for a conservative mp

But fuck that vote as well
64  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 03, 2019, 05:50:40 PM
Watching politics live and the concept of we will not be able to bring in enough flu vaccines in the event of no deal is trotted out again like it's a fact.

What are the mechanics of this happening ? It seems absurd to imagine that our border staff would be holding up incoming medicines or any other goods for that matter - why would we do that - drives me mad that I can't get an explanation for the mechanics of how we end up with shortages of medicines


Like so many other things on here..so many chirping how bad it will be with absolutely no substance, than they have read it somewhere from someone equally unqualified to spread it as news.

Look at CF earlier, making a comment to Tom and when he asks for substance behind the claim, they scuttle off, as so often happens from the remainers on here.

I am in Norway on business at the moment, and it just reminds me that my two favourite places in Europe to visit are here and Switzerland, where everything runs so much more smoothly than the rest of Europe, the places are cleaner, and everyone generally less hassled and laid back. Oh yes, the two most developed countries not clamouring for membership of the EU.......

I'm in work and have been busy!

My point being that your negotiating position is better before you shoot yourself in the foot and now desperately need help.

Norway, Switzerland, etc. There's no reason that couldn't have been made to work. But triggering article 50 without a plan, calling a general election to wipe out your majority and the shambles that has followed is hardly the way to go about it. It's the sort of thing that would have taken years to sort out had we gone about doing it properly.

Mate you say triggering Article 50 without a plan but every MP voted on that question and parliament majority passed the trigger

So there was a plan ie we leave EU deal or no deal on x date

But there’s been so much dithering and wah wahing that progress to execute that plan has been undermined and stalled

Now parliament are still wah wahing saying nah we don’t want to respect the referendum vote and we don’t want to respect the Article 50 vote we want more votes until we get our own democratic way, oh and don’t forget locusts are coming to eat your babies.
65  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 03, 2019, 12:45:16 PM
Thinking about it, wouldn't we be in a better position to make deals after we leave? Of course we would. Anything they are prepared to offer pre Brexit they will surely offer afterwards.

No! We'd be completely at their mercy in that case. A bit like we'll be with the US.

How so? What can we offer now that we couldn't offer after we leave?

Please explain because I genuinely don't understand how our negotiating position is currently better.

It isn’t currently better mate

Hence why Boris is taking this direct action

And also hence why rather than focus on all the strengths of our current position Remain seek to bombard us with daily scare stories about cow massacres, Ireland exploding into an episode of Peaky Blinders and the sick clawing at the closed shutters of empty Lloyds pharmacies
66  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: Best Prime Minister? on: September 02, 2019, 09:24:03 PM
Maggie at the top table with USA & Soviets was a big deal for me. Particularly at such a sensitive period in international politics.

Not a puppet like Blair but a tour de force on the international stage, highest level respect from global powers.

Could do with some of that now we’re small insignificant third country and general laughing stock.
67  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 02, 2019, 09:18:03 PM
Boris is doing the exact right thing. This is a highest stakes negotiation and we always figured the traction was happening in the final chapter.

No ifs or buts leave on Halloween, snap GE, deselect any dissenters, contemplate ignoring act of parliament. What a refreshing change after the fudging tepid awkward Maybot.

Bowling around like a lunatic with balls out, ripping up the rule book, nuclear tactics vs barnier “the clock is ticking” party piece

So weird how remain are saying Boris is forcing a No Deal!?! What possible reason/advantage would he force No Deal. I think he is well smart and figured out Remain were undermining our position so has flip reversed and used the snowflakery to strengthen his hand. Listen to them Barnier I am a dictatorial madman who isn’t blinking.

I think he wins tomorrow and if not gets majority in GE so he’s played a blinder so far imo

68  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 02, 2019, 01:03:22 PM
Any disruption could cause unnecessary deaths. So thank goodness we will be free to and motivated to introduce new arrangements and a range of options that mean any future disruption is less likely to cause unnecessary deaths
69  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 02, 2019, 10:09:28 AM
He’s Brazilian
70  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 01, 2019, 05:57:38 PM
Waitrose do a wide selection of frozen fruit which is a better option. Frozen cherries with muesli (dry goods) plenty NI moo cow milk and Colombian coffee is my usual breakfast staple. At first I had to steady myself that my odd choc au pain morning treat might be under threat but Oswaldo who works in patisserie says they’re baked fresh in store most days.
71  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 01, 2019, 04:38:59 PM
If the remain position is there isn't a single good reason to leave it's unsurprising we haven't made headway over the last 3yrs.
72  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 01, 2019, 01:54:33 PM
The retail industry have been banging on about supply chain disruptions for 3 years?

Now just a few weeks away the disruption is predicted at 60%?

What was the disruption predicted 3 years ago? 60%?
73  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 01, 2019, 01:32:44 PM
No deal planning has been disrupted by the legal challenges, obstructing, demonstrations, and even more precious time wasted endlessly debating. If you don’t have a destination in mind (and we didn’t due to remainer May and tactical voters) and resources are spread thinly planning will be hampered.

Even this latest ‘new revelation’ that supply chain will be disrupted is just wah wahing rather than planning to combat that certainty. If demand remains but supply reduces by 60% non uk businesses will be falling over themselves to fill that hole. If not this obesity riddled, wasteful, consumption crazy country of ours will have a mildly inconvenient choice of fewer snack items.The horror.
74  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 01, 2019, 11:55:28 AM
It took the parliamentary opposition over 3yrs to even define their position.

that's a different issue, and the opposition side in Parliament has been a shambles.

Cummings and Johnson are closing parliament beyond the typical prorogation for a few days before a Queens speech and exposed the reality they could care less about sovereignty or democracy which is why the people were on the streets fighting for their parliament and their democracy

At the demonstration I attended, there were a broad range of people including many leavers, but leavers who do not support no deal

Many (ok, several that i chatted to and i can't claim it to be wholly representative) were like me, happy to leave with a deal to respect the 2016 vote but huge opponents of no deal.

Don’t agree it’s a different issue because the issue is a demand for more time. How effectively that luxury, which we’re fast running short of, has been used in recent times should be directly related to our willingness/acceptance to offer more of it.

We are both stranded on a desert island and every time I give you a cup of water it is tipped wastefully over your shoulder. Now we have very little water left you start crying for water, marching up and down chanting slogans about how precious water is?!? Decisive action and difficult decisions were absolutely required and now it’s arrived there’s complaints.

Just like the ongoing criticism is not having a no deal plan whilst obstructing no deal planning
75  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: September 01, 2019, 10:44:31 AM
It took the parliamentary opposition over 3yrs to even define their position.
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