Loving the missing. Better than the first series, which was decent.

In the rugby league today England to beat New Zealand by 1-12 points @ 9/4 with Hills.

Joao Sousa to beat David Ferrer @ 21/10 with Hills at the ATP Vienna tonight.

And we almost had civility for 2 days.

Nice spot on Thiem, Bergeroo

Worked out with the bet!

I had a spare afternoon in Vienna on Saturday so I went to the qualifiers for the main tournament. Had to leave on Sunday so I didn't see the Tie Break thing...

Best player I saw in the qualifiers was the German, Struff. He has a lot of power, good all round game and a nice range of shots and looked a class above. He has had some decent results this year and today he plays a rapidly fading Isner, who has had a stuttering, injury prone season.

I was minded to have a bet, but I was hoping for a better price offered than 2-1. I'm not sure this is a big enough price for me to recommend a bet here, so I will be keeping my powder dry or looking at another way to bet the match. If he gets through then the next round could be interesting.

A couple of the other qualifiers also looked decent but they have very tough matches against top seeds so no interest there.

I also got to see the Brit Marcus Willis play his qualifier. He actually did a lot better than I expected and took it to three sets and could have won. He had a lot of creativity, came into the net and had a good lefty serve but he was exposed mostly with his lack of power on groundstrokes and his movement around the court. Fun to watch him though. Interesting to see if he plays some Challengers and tries to get fit next season.

I like the Struff bet even at 2's and in other weeks I would put it up myself.

Why didn't Cameron enlist him to help win the vote here? Was Cameron so arrogant that he thought he didn't need help, or bother to explain the pros to the electorate?

I would have thought the Castres result yesterday would have bought the Toulouse price in. Do they even have bookies in France? I have never seen one on the streets? I wonder what price they make Toulouse?

Morning Tighty.

I watched Wasps get out muscled by Saracens, much as Exeter were, and I was not impressed at all. They seem a bit of the flat track bully. Going to France to play Toulouse is not for the faint hearted, and I wouldn't want Ciprianni on the plane.

Now, is the 6/4 price wrong? I don't know for sure and neither I nor anyone else can prove that it is. For all I know Toulouse may have already given up on this competition and concentrate on their league, French teams have done this before, and Wasps could win today. But that is the sort of price I would expect Wasps to be if this was the last pool match and Toulouse were out and they were not resting first teamers. Do you think Toulouse would be 6/4 here if it was match 6 and they needed to win to go through? It's pretty much the same situation, as lose today and I think they are as good as out

I gathered you were on Wasps but I don't think they are up to winning this competition yet, and the 7's or 8's was too short for me. Leinster on the other hand at 33's was interesting.

I seem to recall you putting Toulouse up in this last year, or the year before? Or was it Medard to top score in the competition?  Has their team deteriorated? I expect you watch them far more than I.

Rugby Union today. Toulouse to beat Wasps 6/4 with Coral.

Rugby League today England v France. Gareth Widdop to anytime try score 6/4 with Hills.

Let's begin today with a theoretical question. We have 12 1/4 final tennis matches today,and some fascinating ones too. Now, suppose I have found a really good bet, do people think that given the current climate on here that I would be at all inclined to post it?

Anyway, wasn't yesterday a hoot. Our British Bulldog fought back from the brink of defeat to smite the Spanish conquistador. This thwarted the no doubt planned "rubbish bet, best £500 bet recommend, leave it to the pro's" posts that we have all come to expect.

But fear not, a second line of attack has already begun. Having been mocked as someone who knows nothing about winning at betting on tennis, I am now called out as knowing nothing about rugby league betting either. It was stated that I advocate betting on anytime try scorers in matches when few tries were expected. This is sheer genius. After all Arbboy wrote it, it's about betting, so it must be true. Hell, even I believed it when I first read it.

The genius part is there is no way that I can disprove this. Well there is but it would involve trawling through thousands of pages of this thread, or all 2,000 + posts of mine and I am not doing that.  My only option is to write that I don't agree that I wrote it, and Arbboy would say I did. Well he definitely writes louder than me, although certainly not better, so his view would be seen as gospel. It really is a masterstroke. I have few options other than to enter into a shouting match, and I wouldn't back the outsider in that game. Alternatively I could just reproduce my post from earlier in the month and let people decide on what I what I think the best strategy is in low scoring matches.

It's the grand final in superleague tonight when Warrington face Wigan. Very little between these teams, but I have a slight preference for Wigan. Traditionally these games are nervy and low scoring. As such instead of doing an  anytime try scorer bet I prefer a first try scorer bet. Our old Wigan favourites, Bateman and Williams, are still being priced up a shade too big. It looks like Sandow will return from injury tonight and could well be targeted in his defence, and he defends exactly where these 2 players attack best.

First try scorer £10 both Williams @ 20-1 with Hills, coral or ladbrokes and Bateman @ 18-1 with coral or ladbrokes.

Just in case anyone's forgotten Wigan won a low scoring match, but the try scorer bets were losers.

But amidst all the personal attacks I still found time to be greatly amused by Aarons post about a "which hunt". I am sure there is a word for when an incorrect word that sounds the same is used mistakenly, and I wish I knew what it was, but I do find it amusing when it happens. Personally I find this whole saga more akin to the KKK in the 50's than a witch hunt. I don't know if I am Kunta Kinte, or maybe Chicken George, but I sure is runnin masser. Yes I am aware that those 2 people were from a different century, but give me a bit of poetic license, please.

Some however might see the similarity between all this and the US Presidential debates. Well I did take on board the Michelle Obama quote " When they go low, we go high" and I am content that I have not been dragged down into the gutter.

Amidst all the brouhaha it probably went unnoticed that I am the only underdog getting picked on in this forum that Camel hasn't rode in to defend. So if we are comparing this thread to the Renee one, that must make Arbboy Renee. That makes me Cambridge Alex - ooh I rather like my company.

Just in case some of you may look at this post and think I am leaving, well I am certainly not doing that. Why would I leave when with every post, every tip, every winner that I give I sense their blood pressure rising. You will probably not get any elaborations for a while on why I think something is a bet, but I hope most people will understand why. But Tighty that does  give you a very valid reason not to do my bets for Fred, and I don't have any problem with that. It is just easier to put it on here than send out 27 PM's to people who have requested it.

Some of you may remember the ridiculous stories I wrote a while back, and last night I came up with a peach of a scenario involving some people on here and Donald Trump, but doing that now would definitely be going too low.

I think they should have a 100m race, followed by a live IQ test.

I'll ask for everyone lol
Why do you think he should be favourite

Because he is currently playing better than Kohlschreiber.

Morning Tighty.

Could we have £20 on Dusan Lajovic to beat Kohlshreiber at the ATP Moscow today. He is odds against and I think he should be favourite.

Suggest £500 £20 Lajovic @ 11/10 with Betfred or Hills.

Paddy Power are paying out on Clinton.

Do they ever get it wrong when they do this?
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Yes. Betfred paid out on Man Utd one year when they were caught by Arsenal, or maybe the other way round.