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61  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The Next President of the United States on: May 19, 2020, 10:42:39 PM

Excellent contribution from Pelosi, she only needed to sign off with ‘I try to go easy on the fatties though, they have enough on their plates already’ and it would be an A+.

https://twitter.com/andyinbrum/status/1262661888200015872?s=21



About time someone gave as good as him. She knows it will rattle him and the smirk before she made her comments said it all.
62  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Let’s talk poker on: May 19, 2020, 03:48:40 PM
Colin Young passed away yesterday after a short battle with cancer

Just saw this on Facebook. Poor Colin, such a lovely guy who will be sadly missed, always loved sharing a table with him and never heard him say a bad word about anyone.

RIP Colin


Yep , lovely fella , always had time for a chat. Sad day.
63  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The Next President of the United States on: May 12, 2020, 08:59:34 AM
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/11/opinions/trump-tax-returns-supreme-court-stakes-honig/index.html

If he wins it basically means there is no oversight/legal recourse to anything he does.

You might as well proclaim him King Donald.

He would love that.

I hope this is the beginning of the end for Teflon Don.
64  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The Next President of the United States on: May 12, 2020, 01:11:06 AM
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/05/11/collins-jiang-reporter-questions-briefing-blitzer-sot-tsr-vpx.cnn

He really is a nasty piece of work.

Constantly picks on women and those of colour.

When the questions get tough he takes his ball home with him again and storms off.

How can anyone support this odious coward.
65  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: COVID19 on: May 11, 2020, 08:10:16 PM
Yes, obviously Smiley

It's still a stupid fuck up though. And neither of his lackies even corrected him.

It’s quite extraordinary that he can get it wrong.

We have a sweep on the date that pubs in the city reopen in full, cruel mismanaging of expectations from Bozo.

Think there clutching at straws for pubs to open up July
66  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: COVID19 on: May 10, 2020, 08:09:48 PM
What do you do if work tells you to come in but need to use public transport ?

Stay Alert , don't get what it's meant to achieve. Far too vague.

Lots of stuff where people are just going to be confused as to what the best thing to do is.

Logically, you would use public transport because you have to but make sure you ensure social distancing.

It works in theory but relies on everyone using social distancing - the message on that has been crystal clear.The problem comes when joe public don’t adopt it properly.

In theory.

In practice when everyone in rush hour needs the tube bus or train it will be very hard to social distance if not impossible.


















67  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: COVID19 on: May 10, 2020, 07:56:29 PM
I have always liked Boris.

Think he comes across really well but the actual message is not clearly defined in my opinion
and is a little early considering the R number and slow decline in death rates.
68  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: COVID19 on: May 10, 2020, 07:49:48 PM
What do you do if work tells you to come in but need to use public transport ?

Stay Alert , don't get what it's meant to achieve. Far too vague.

Lots of stuff where people are just going to be confused as to what the best thing to do is.
69  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: COVID19 on: May 10, 2020, 07:37:55 PM
You won't see the results of this chaotic messaging for over a month so the number of deaths will
continue to decrease or flatten out giving people the false sense that the easing of lockdown is working.

When the numbers start inching up the shit will hit the fan trying to get people back in their boxes.

Probably the wrong phrase there  Roll Eyes
70  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: COVID19 on: May 10, 2020, 07:19:01 PM
I fear that R number is going to go above 1 before the end of June.

Plenty of guinea pigs in the country to test the theory.
71  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The Next President of the United States on: May 10, 2020, 06:47:01 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IeT6Aeof4Ok

Love it .
72  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: COVID19 on: May 10, 2020, 05:24:07 PM
Stay alert , what a ridiculous message.

It's like you want the public to look out for the virus as though it's something you can see and avoid.

It's a tough one for the government to get right but stay alert is not the answer.
73  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The Next President of the United States on: May 10, 2020, 05:19:26 PM
Some big name at the White House is going to catch it soon.

Can i use my "one time " now please.

ONE TIME , never ask again , please god , ONE TIME.
74  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The Next President of the United States on: May 09, 2020, 02:43:39 PM
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1258853971164368896?s=20

No need to doctor anything when this ignorant knob head opens his mouth.

You would have thought with all the top scientists and medical people around him
that he would understand this virus and how to test track and trace just a wee tad better.
75  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: COVID19 on: May 09, 2020, 01:59:15 PM
May 5, 2020 5:14 pm by Martin Wolf
“It is utterly impossible . . . for the rich to save as much as they have been trying to save, and save anything that is worth saving.” Marriner Eccles, Congressional testimony 1933.

Debt creates fragility. The question is how to escape from the trap. To answer it, we need to analyse why today’s global economy has become so debt-dependent. That did not happen because of the idle whims of central bankers, as many suppose. It happened because of an excessive desire to save relative to investment opportunities. This has suppressed real interest rates and made demand far too reliant on debt.

Two recent papers illuminate both the forces driving this rise in leverage and its consequences. One, directly related to the views of Eccles, who chaired the US Federal Reserve from 1934 to 1948, is on “The Saving Glut of the Rich and the Rise in Household Debt”. The other, on “Indebted Demand”, explains how debt overhangs weaken demand and lower interest rates, in a feedback loop. The authors of both include Princeton’s Atif Mian and Chicago’s Amir Sufi, well known for their fine past work on debt.


As Eccles said so clearly, beyond a point, inequality weakens an economy by driving policymakers into a ruinous choice between high unemployment or ever-rising debt. The paper on the savings glut makes two points. First, rising inequality in the US has resulted in a large increase in the savings of the top 1 per cent of the income distribution, not matched by a rise in investment. Instead, the investment rate has been falling, despite declining real interest rates. The rising savings surplus of the rich has been matched by the rising dissaving, or consumption above income, of the bottom 90 per cent of the income distribution.

Line chart of Total debt as a % of GDP, weighted average of 14 advanced economies*  showing The ever-rising global debt mountain
The savings of the rich might have led to a current account surplus, as in late-19th-century UK. But the rich of the rest of the world have sought to accumulate US assets, and so generated a persistent US current account deficit. Except when the pre-financial crisis housing bubble drove up private ­investment, this has also remained too weak. The chief users of excess foreign and domestic savings have been less well-off households and the government.

There is a clear link between the saving of the rich and dissaving of the less rich, and the accumulation of credit and debt. Since 1982, the decline in net indebtedness of the rich has been matched by the rise in indebtedness of the bottom 90 per cent. This is why the argument that low interest rates hurt the less well off is absurd. The less well off are not large net creditors. The rich hold claims on the less rich, not only directly, via bank deposits, but via equity holdings in businesses that also hold such claims. This phenomenon of rising household debt and rising inequality is not unique to the US. It is widespread.

Line chart of Per cent showing The progressive fall in real interest rates
Why does the rising debt matter? One answer, as David Levy argues in Bubble or Nothing, is that the economy becomes increasingly driven by finance and fragile, as borrowers become ever more overburdened. Another is the idea of “indebted demand” — a close relative of the idea of “balance-sheet recessions” propounded by the Japanese economist, Richard Koo. As debt soars, people are ever more unwilling to borrow still larger amounts. So interest rates have to fall, to balance supply with demand and avoid a deep slump. In these ways, we have ended up where we were even before Covid-19, with real interest rates at zero. This is one mechanism driving what Lawrence Summers has called “secular stagnation”.

Line chart of Shares of US national income (1982=100) showing The domestic rich and foreigners are equally big savers for the US
We must focus on the US first, because that is where global demand and supply tend to balance. But similar phenomena of rising inequality and soaring savings are to be seen in other big economies, notably China and Germany. The former used to export its excess savings to the US, but now absorbs it in wasteful investment at home. The latter has driven trading partners into rising debt in the eurozone and beyond.

Line chart of Savings of groups in the US income distribution, as a % of national income showing The savings glut of the US rich has grown enormously, while the majority increasingly dissaves
So, how are we to escape from the debt trap? One step is to diminish the incentive to finance businesses with debt, rather than equity. The obvious way to do so is to eliminate the preference of the former over the latter in almost all tax systems. It is also possible, as Profs Mian and Sufi argued in an earlier book, to shift from debt to equity financing of housing. In addition, we have a huge opportunity now to replace government lending to companies in the Covid-19 crisis with equity purchases. Indeed, at current ultra-low interest rates, governments could create instantaneous sovereign wealth funds very cheaply.

Line chart of Changes in net household debt as a share of national income relative to 1982, across the US income distribution (% points) showing The US rich have become much bigger creditors, while the rest have become much bigger net debtors.
Yet none of this would fix the ongoing dependence of macroeconomic stability on ever more debt. There are two apparent solutions. The first is for governments to keep on borrowing. But, in the very long term, this is likely to lead to some sort of default. The well-off, who are the principal creditors of government, are bound to bear much of the costs, in one way or the other. The alternative is to shift the distribution of income, in order to create more sustainable demand and so stronger investment, without soaring household debt.

In 1933, Eccles also told Congress, “It is for the interests of the well to do . . . that we should take from them a sufficient amount of their surplus to enable consumers to consume and business to operate at a profit.” That happened, partly by accident and partly deliberately, after the second world war. Ever-rising household and government debt will not stabilise the world economy ­forever. Nor should asset-price bubbles remain so central to our economy. We will have to adopt more radical alternatives. A crisis is a superb a time to change course. Let us start right now.

G0949_20X Line chart showing Household and government debt against Income share of top 1% in the distribution

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