In 2x MTT please. RICK TRIGG ONE TIME

10 plz

having reread this thread, I think what everyone agrees on is that;

a. some people believe that HUD's are advantage and dont want to play against players who use them

2. some people beleive they are not an advantage, in fact, playing more tables with tracking software could actually be less profitable in some players cases

Therefore, logic dictates that the case for banning tracking software is overwhelming as there is no upside to allowing HUD's for the site, or the professional, recreational or new players.

Cheers Simon

One of the main reasons people use HUDs is to just track their results. Its hard to know how much you have exactly won or lost or to prove this to somebody.

Lets say somebody in America wants to pay tax on their winnings. What they do is show screenshots of holdem manager and show how much they have won and then declare tax. Without holdem manager this wouldnt be possible.

When people want staked they have to show a sample of hands to somebody, this would be impossible without holdem manager.

When people have lost 1000 dollars at nl50 and they dont know why they can check if they are running bad or playing bad. This wouldnt be possible without holdem manager.

Pretty sure the IRS isn't going to accept screenshots from holdemmanager, they look at the ins and outs from your bank account and nothing else. It's a major reason why so many Americans had so much money online on black Friday.

In basic $$ terms so you can understand in that sense

Without a hud Player might win $20 per hour per table when 4 tabling, if he increases to 8 tables he might win $12 per hour per table, when he increases to 12 tables he might only win $6 per hour per table.

In this example. 4tabling he makes $80 per hour, 8 tabling $96 per hour, 12 tabling $72 per hour. Player should 8 table

Now with a hud he might make $20 still per hour per table when 4 tabling but $13 per table per hour when 8 tabling and $10 per table per hour when 12 tabling.

so 4tabling he makes $80 per hour still, now he makes $104 8 tabling and $120 12 tabling. So he should 12 table


Now as a "rec/fish" 1tabling v the player above. You obviously will lose less to the player when he is 12 tabling than when he is 4 tabling


Obviously the "good" player above isn't the type you are trying to attract with this venture anyway so that works in the "recs" favour, just theoretically they will lose their money quicker in the above scenario.

That doesn't really follow.

If the pro is forced to play less tables then the ratio of recs to pros improve.

By your own maths a pro playing less tables without a HUD makes less cash than one playing more tables with a HUD.  So overall each pro makes less money, so if each pro is making less money then it can't be the case that recs are losing money more quickly.  The recs must lose more money in those circumstances and that will be down to a healthier rec/pro ratio.

I think the reality will be that the pros will still have tables on the side other than the DTD cash tables, so he isn't going to be producing much better win rates than he does with a HUD anyway.  And I think some of the newer players who have done most of their improving with a HUD in place are going to find it harder to adapt than someone like you who doesn't use one, or someone like me who has done a lot of playing without one.

I don't think it is entirely clear whose argument will win, but I don't think anybody can be clearcut on this, and I really hope it succeeds.  Don't know what you can do about the multiaccounters and data miners though.  I mean just because you have a picture of somebody up on your screen it doesn't mean you are playing him.

FWIW My PC broke a couple of months ago, and I haven't reinstalled the HUD yet.  A bit lol sample size, but profits fell [ ]

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Dubai's contention that fish will lose less against the multi-tabling reg than the super-focused reg is convenient for the argument but not true as it isn't the whole picture. If the 4 tabling reg wins 4bb/100 and the 12 tabling reg wins 1bb/100 then it stands to reason you'd want to play the 12 tabling reg, but that fails to take account of the fact there are 3 times as many of them. If you're on a 6max table with one 4bb/100 proshark, you and 5 of your recfish mates have to pay his wages, so you pay 0.8/100 each. If instead you are on a table with 3x 1bb/100 multiregs you only have to pay 3bb/100 in wages, but you only have 2 recfish mates to share the burden, so you each pay 1bb/100. Not drastic, but if you take account of the rakehole (roughly 40bb/100 at 100nl) then in scenario 1 you each pay 44/5 = 8.8bb/100 while in scenario 2 you each pay 43/3 = 14.33bb/100, a 63% increase.

To get a true picture you have to look at a macro level, not just what happens on 1 table. The whole enterprise is funded by losing players (or more accurately, players losing), they are the numerator. Mass multi-tabling adds more reg-clones and more rakeholes, they are the denominator. HUDs and such like only increase the denominator, therefore fish have to pay more and they're bad for "the poker ecology". They aren't bad for the sites though, not even in the long term, and obviously they aren't bad for any individual pro that uses them or they would just stop using them, so I can't see any impetus for change happening in the future except government regulation. This development by DTD won't change the landscape imo, but it will provide players with a choice, which has to be a good thing.

Any reason you haven't replied here or to my pm and haven't sent any money?

$7160 in refunds

exchanging funds by the next week

keys = $72 per 1% pm me how you would like refunding.

I sent you $835 for 5%, you played the venetian $1100 @ 1.3 and the WSOP $3k @1.25 so spent $259 of that money, leaving $576 or $115.20 per 1%.  Could you refund it to my bank please, will pm you the details now.

Surely that could have been sorted by a simple phone call? A slightly outdated method of communication but very effective

Alex doesn't make international calls, even if one of his friends is wandering the streets of Prague, lost and alone.

Keys I owe you 69.16 for the ISPT so that translates into 0.7% of the main if you want, or will send it to you bank right away.

Think you also owe me around 40e for the hire car in Marbella (completely off the top of my head), call it 1% and bury the hatchet?

Flushy and Keys have failed to pay up despite numerous pms and personal contact, I said in OP that I'd like paying before I flew out (23rd) and then in PMs I said by today at the latest or else I'd need to organise alternative backing. I've not heard from either of them for a while except Keys when he wants me to lend his horses some $$ lol. Flushy booked 10 so a pretty big chunk, which is really annoying to have to try and shift now. I think better to post in the open what's going on rather than shush it all up.

So anyone who'd like a piece there's up to 12% going now. 1% = £100.

Wow come on man. I took a day off blonde yesterday, saw your pm but you said you would sell it on if you didn't hear from me and obv I knew you would have no trouble selling 2% so didn't bother replying. Bit bigtime I know but I was busy with other things and am 99% sick of blonde atm.  I didn't think you would stick the knife in like that tho, the implication of your post is that I'm always on at you asking for money or something, in reality I borrowed $300 for literally 5 minutes while waiting for Keith to come online, and you have heard from me since, like when I gave you a lift in to town for nick+plinton's thing.  So harsh.

Also, now that you owe me money instead of the other way around, I could count on the fingers of one hand the people I owe money to.  Meanwhile if Flushy were to make a list, you might have another 1000 page thread to your name, and I did warn you about Flushy months ago.

The Facebook crew has been informed about every switch before I played as people on here would have been if I had switched. I'm not gonna lie things have got muddled up a bit but LOL if you think I would freeroll anyone. I can line up 300 people in this industry that could testify to that fact. Feel for you boys obv.

I have given this a lot of thought overnight and come to the conclusion that there is no way any reasonable person would think that the percentages in this thread were not in play.  The tournament had the same buyin at the same venue as the one listed in your OP, and you didn't in any way specify that the action was off or return any money held.  Finally, the only communication that you did make was to tell facebook investors that their share was on without their confirmation, yet you're saying that blonde investors were off without confirmation, how can you explain that distinction?

Not calling you a liar and I'm sure that it was during the play of the tournament and not just at the cash desk that you decided our action was off, but I can see no reason why you didn't tell anyone at the time.  If you genuinely were going to come on here after busting the tournament and say "hey guys I played a $1k in binions after all but you weren't on" then congratulations you have just freerolled yourself, because if you were going to do that why not post before the tournament?  If I could see any way there could be a misunderstanding on your part then I would be more lenient, but to be perfectly honest it would/should have been easy to foresee this situation arising.  As far as I am concerned, you owe the people in this thread for their shares.

Presumably you aren't going to pay, but can you at least confirm what tournaments you actually have played and arrange a refund for me for the remainder please.

huh, read "part of the package" on facebook re: the binions tourn and assumed it meant this.  Pretty poor form just freerolling everyone in this thread. Cancel what's left of mine and send back please.

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Stato tells me that there are six extremely offensive 9-letter words there, I demand another apology.

[This is a business trip for me so I intend to spend a decent amount of my time playing poker tournaments.]

Below is a list of events I am planning to play this year. You will notice there is an event every day. This is a business trip for me so I intend to spend a decent amount of my time playing poker tournaments.

If everyone else had 6 bigs it's a pretty snappy fold, possibly even with 97s face up, so it's a pretty valid question I think.