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76  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Poker Bay - My Business Plan. Market Research. on: July 29, 2012, 01:05:29 AM
I really think that this has a very small chance of success...

There are many staking sites out there already (many of which are struggling at best) and for it to have a chance of survival you will need to reach a 'critical mass' of both profitable players and stakers fairly quickly or it will just die a death. There is an issue as well that getting a site like this going has a certain 'chicken and the egg' conundrum in the fact that you need profitable horses to attract the stakers and you also need stakers to attract the profitable horses that are willing to sell their action publically.

With the type of setup you are looking to do, its actually quite important that the levels of both horses and stakers is relatively balanced as well or you will end with the situation where either the stakers get annoyed because there is too much competition over the few profitable horses there are floating about, or the players will get annoyed because there isn't enough interest in the action they are selling to to bid up the prices to what they feel is an acceptable price for them to sell at...

not taken into account paying a wage no. I think it'd mean I play less poker, but not much less. I think it'd just eat into the time I spend reading blonde and lazing in bed tbh!

I also think you are vastly under estimating the amount of time this venture could take up with even only a few packages being sold a week... Obviously it will depend on the exact packages being sold but you could easily end up averaging 15 - 20 investors per package and the paperwork involved in sending and recieving all those transfers is gonna take time (and be boring as shit for the few $ you may be making).

Another issue that you may find is that when people bid on these packages some of them like to have the option of sending money online which will usually be Pokerstars transfer as its the largest site etc. Once you start transferring around large amounts of $ with comparably limited play you could easily run into restrictions as far as being able to make transfers and cash out (wether its your own money of TPB's). I believe if you can get an affiliate account and drive traffic to Stars through it you may be able to get away with more, as PTP does but thats not something I have any real or solid info on... I believe that you will need to closely check the t's and c's of Stars TOS and have a long conversation from someone inside the company before you will be able to use your own personal account for these transactions as I am pretty sure that if/when they find out they will at least block your account as they have issues with their IOM licensing which states that all players accounts must be solely for the purpose of playing poker and not carrying on a business etc... I can see a bank taking a dim view of all the transactions as well fwiw unless you get one of their tailored accounts which I am sure will include some kind of anal fee... Paypal may seem like an option but it really isn't as they won't have anything to do with poker or gambling (I nearly lost my paypal account over it and was blocked for 6 months etc while it was investigated).

As for offering insurance against grimming by people who have won from their stakes... Just don't. If there was a profitable way of doing it, it would be done by now. I can show you dozens of threads where this exact thing has been talked about and its just not viable.

The overall size of the staking market is also something that you have to take into account. The staking board here has a little action and there is small amounts of action on several other forums and we obviously have the 'big boys' ala 2+2 and chipmeup etc. I fear for this to have a chance at being profitable your going to have to look at getting an unrealistically significant portion of the market and if you even get close to a significant market share your going to have several other sites pop up mimicking your idea as soon as the ev of the idea goes above absolute zero (people will always think that they can do it better)...

May come up with some more thoughts after am done playing etc but my personal opinion is that you shouldn't put another penny or a minutes time into the idea...

77  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: True ROI of Top Players at the WSOP This year on: July 28, 2012, 06:15:21 PM

You may know there is/has been a problem recently with someone that there should not have been a problem with, is it fair that this person can freely ask for stakes again without any note of this episode being added to their profile?

I truly believe this is a one off for this guy but the next time a stake is asked for it will probably get a different set of stakers and some of the current ones will swerve it because of the problems this time around. So if that stake goes wrong too then who has protected those people when many others on here would/could have prevented this?

Is it down to the people affected to 'out' the guy with all that entails or is there a responsibility to clamp down on this by the site providing the facility?



If its too much/alot of work to do to add an area within peoples profiles I think a 'staking feedback' thread similar to 2+2 negative feedback thread wouldn't be such a bad idea...


Maybe instead of refunding events not played, horses should be forced to play other similar events and a different time. E.g. Player sells for 7 $1ks and only plays 5. He must play ~$2ks worth of events at a different time. Perhaps two £700 UKIPTs or whatever he choses and the backers agree to. Just a thought.

In theory its a good idea but in practice its close to unenforceable...

Firstly, some investors may be somewhat annoyed/over it and just prefer money back instead.

Secondly, there may not always be similar events within a suitable time period and travel distance for a horse to be able to play... For instance if I got staked to play EPT London and got smashed the night before and ended up missing the tournament due to hangover/after effects etc would I be forced to travel to another EPT event and incur far greater expenses to do so? What about the guys who did Vegas packages and may have missed a tourney or two, especially in a mix game format...

I think its more than reasonable for a horse to offer to play a similar event and for investors to agree or disagree a they see fit but to require it would be a mistake



78  Poker Forums / Diaries and Blogs / Re: Degenerate Diaries: The Chronicles Pt. 2 on: July 28, 2012, 06:36:15 AM
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79  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: Everything sucks. on: July 28, 2012, 06:03:57 AM
I probably 3b/call...

While we are not exactly in love with the situation, we flip vs many peoples getting it in range here. He also has a large enough stack that if he is a more aggressive player he can be raising all sorts of hands (ie suited connectors etc) which he will fold a good chunk of the time which is fine, and occasionally spaz with which is even more fine...
80  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: Wtfffffff on: July 28, 2012, 05:52:56 AM
100% bet flop, get called by all other Ax pairs with diamonds etc

Call turn as played, now follow your guess and comfortably fold to further aggressive action.








ye +1 on this for me
81  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Marc Wright aka dean23price/railtard1 still scamming July 2012 on: July 28, 2012, 05:04:49 AM
Do you expect to lose a lot of cash when your cheque is cashed into sterling Marc? I can see this happening and it might be better to warn backers.

I have cashed a cheque from the US before and I remember getting pretty hosed on the rate I was given though it was long ago enough I can't remember the actual rates etc

Pretty sure my bank (Halifax) told me it would take 4 - 6 weeks to clear and it was closer to 6 weeks than 4 weeks unfortunately Sad
82  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: we have a jam here? on: July 26, 2012, 04:50:39 AM
Just jam imo. Villain probs considers it a cooler if his 66 are beat.
83  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: Final 18/9 Two spots to wager the maximum? on: July 26, 2012, 04:49:02 AM
Fold pre in both hands...

I am 99% certain you left out a very important piece of info that this is a turbo tournament...
84  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: History of computer games on: July 24, 2012, 02:15:00 PM
Dissappointed no Castle Quest...
85  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: NOW! Thats What I Call the Greatest Music Thread...Ever! on: July 24, 2012, 10:58:56 AM
pretty chuffed right now...

Two of my more favourite bands/artists are headed to England in November and will be playing simultaneously which will be pretty awesome Smiley

Headlining... Nightwish Smiley




Supporting act... Pain Smiley

86  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: Shove/Fold FT spot on: July 24, 2012, 07:59:00 AM
payouts?

I folded and was fairly happy about it but when smokrokflock says its a def shove I have to consider it...

reasons?

Yeah wish I could answer that.../sigh

Ok... Finally got to talk to him about it just now and he didn't realise it was an ft hand...lol

We both ran it through an ICM calc and he came up with 88+ and I came up with JJ+

Ingame I shove wider than that so was deffo good to check that side out as it was even more of an icm fuck than I thought it was...
87  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: Shove/Fold FT spot on: July 24, 2012, 04:38:13 AM
payouts?

I folded and was fairly happy about it but when smokrokflock says its a def shove I have to consider it...

reasons?

Yeah wish I could answer that.../sigh
88  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: Shove/Fold FT spot on: July 23, 2012, 07:53:28 PM
payouts?

8th locked up for $3809
7th - $6436
6th - $9063
5th- 11690
4th - 15367
3rd - 22329
2nd - 31174
1st - 41507

I folded and was fairly happy about it but when smokrokflock says its a def shove I have to consider it...
89  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Marc Wright aka dean23price/railtard1 still scamming July 2012 on: July 23, 2012, 10:46:40 AM
Any update on this?
90  Poker Forums / Diaries and Blogs / Re: Prose from a Poshboy on: July 23, 2012, 05:09:06 AM
Will be interested in the difference between the expenses that you get from the package and the actual expenses incurred Smiley
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