Same as other ruling- was correct and rules are rules- if it had been called at the time. Its not just grosvenor that enforces a verbal action is binding even out of turn. If you play a WPT etc you will find the same applies just players dont say daft things and other players dont try and takeadvantage or angle shoot.

Saying I will call you whatever you bet so shortly after the previous ruling is a very stupid thing to do. The OP is a c**t imo for allowing the player to fold and then trying to claim his chips. If he wants to stick to the rules he should have made sure his hand wasn't folded by calling for a ruling before pushing allin which is what frazer did. In this case at least the guy gets to play the pot out and he may actually still win the pot. By allowing the player to fold then asking for a ruling afterwards it meant he avoided the risk of an outdraw which is just plain angle shooting.

imo (and poker is a game of opinions) the rules should have been interpreted differently in this situation and the player should've kept his chips and been warned about future comments. The OP should have been informed to get rulings before the players has a chance to muck if he wanted to angle shoot (yes as TD I would've made it clear I thought he was angle shooting and would have told him how to do it "properly"). Once the next hand has been played then a ruling cannot be made on any previous hands (another one of Grosvenors rules) and I would have used this rule to over rule the "verbal actions are binding" rule.

OP is a dog
other guy is a fool for making such a stupid comment.

rule doesnt need taking out at the next rules meeting it just needs modifying/clarifying. Table banter should be allowed but I seem to be one of the only ones who thinks an actual verbal declaration should be binding. If you say "you bet and I will call" you are trying to stop the other person betting. If they bet you should have to call.

this has been a grosvenor rule rule for years- it isn't a new rule.

I remember a few years ago Barry Neville in the Blackpool main event said on the river "if you bet I wll call" trying to stop the player betting. The player moved allin and Barry was forced to call the obvious nuts by the other player. This ruling was made correctly by Danny. It is the players responsibilty to be aware of the rules and currently a verbal declaration is binding (even an out of turn one). If Pryan had said "be carefull/ you bet and I will probably call etc" then it wouldnt be binding. Its not the best rule in the world but it is one of the rules so any player on the table is entitled to ask for a ruling at any stage just like any player is entitled to call for a clock etc.

Iwan as a bloke is a nice guy and doesn't mind voicing his opinion. Its hard on pryan but he has done nothing wrong here. I know he won't have done it in any malice but there is plenty of moodying and arsing about at the business end of tournaments and with blinds going up an a depleted stack he probably just wanted to get on with things. The other thing we all need to realise is a TD ruling is final even if it is incorrect. I have had many rulings made on me over the years that have been far worse than this one but the TD is there as the poker police if you like and what they say goes- end of story theres nothing can be done. If rule changes are now made because of this I'm sure plenty of people will actually thank Iwan for bringing this to the rule comities attention.

incidentally I think attacking the TD who made this ruling is a little out of orer as he has followed the rules as they stand. I think Dena, zach, Ian or any of the team would have made the same ruling. Just like at any other tournament where they follow the rules (even if the rules seem harsh they still need to be followed by the tournament staff or it would be chaos).

lol at dubai

" can I get 1000 e/w on this 150-1 shot please mr blue square"

redeal for me. The button should've moved so everyone has an incorrect hand. If action had taken place (action is classed as a call or raise) before it was noticed then the hand stands and theres nothing that can be done and the hand continues. The blinds should be posted before any action can take place so it shouldn't be an issue.

 In this case though its a pub tournament so a common sense rule to save arguments could be to just give him his hand back if its possible (ie its clear which his two cards are). Don't forget in every set of rules the TD has a common sense clause meaning he can overrule any of the other rules for the good of the game etc

can't reccomend this one enough to anyone who fancies it.

I went down to a similar event they ran last year and won a wsop package (value $16k) and also managed to chop a £100 rebuy stt they ran the night after. The venue is friendly and the banter is great and its worth spending a few hundred quid to try and qualify for a big event. I cant make it spiv but gl to whoever comes down from it (a few are coming down from blackpool I think- get marty to chase them up).

by the writing style it can only be Jenn or flopsy surely. Its way to well written to be most of blonde

i'll give you 10-1 on flopsy and 50-1 on jen

I will take £20 on each as long as you bet £40 with me at 1000-1 on it being sofa

by the writing style it can only be Jenn or flopsy surely. Its way to well written to be most of blonde

congrats mate, good to hear everything is ok with mum and baby.

congrats JR.

sure you will be a great asset for the vic.

I will make sure and get down to the Vic at some stage even if I dont visit any of the others in the chain. 

thank god julian didnt get any of these emails.

they have took 9k off the top? when did dtd change its no deal apart from chip count rule? Happy they have changed this now as I really thought it was rigid and it shows they listen to their customers.

gl big trev and nick

Fraser Bain is out, and in unfortunate circumstances too. With the board reading , Bain and Alan Jennings (small and big blind respectively) both checked, allowing Kevin O'Connell to take a stab at it with a bet of 8,000. Bain pushed all in for a total of 56,700, and after a delayed fold from Jennings, who I believe had a genuine hand, O'Connell made the call.

O'Connell =
Bain =

Turn = , River =

looks like its blacklabel oclock. Good luck kev





distinct lack of pussies on this thread by the way guys (just for you kev)

im sure kila will thank you for that picture loool

payouts?