good update guys, thx

about an hour ago the nipping line was 36 long...please wait your turn

wd for keepin the dosh in Notts... bravo!

4th place took a weird deal imo!

Makes no sense at all unless he goes on top ship the 18k more

agreed, his gtd 22k so he should at least secure 3rd place money... but that also made it a great deal for the top 3 as they've now got more than 2nd place money...looks like the smallest stack got shafted again... lol

also, is robin no longer working at alea?

i'm still here! lol
sry guys just got back from WSOPE and Killarney yesterday, still tryin to figure out whats going on and whether i still have a job.
will know more in time, please be patient....

glad to see all back in Notts tho

tournament and cash game organisation was excellent. Night out was brilliant!
Everything was over-priced, but that's ireland for you.
Sad coz didn't get time to go see the beautiful surroundings...

just like to point out i might be the closest blonde to be in the final table of the WSOPE 
seen snoopy nd dana workin hard the past few days, tho i dont think they know i'm a blondie
  prayin i'll b dealin the final 2moro....ONE TIME!

can anyone tell me when is the last reg for the £250, end of level 3? Now that the starting chips is increased, well worth a punt imo

thx will look into that

I'm going down to london for the upcoming WSOPE, does anyone know of any cheap accomo since i'll be stayin there for 2weeks.
prob be looking for some sort of b&b twin room for 2 near leicester square. Any chance for below £25/night?

Dealer have to ask if he wants to show the other card, if not, then insta muck!

It seems to me the problem is the speed of the game that's in question and not specifically this situation where someone is trying to win the pot by getting technical with the rules.

It is not really the player's fault, as you mentioned, everyone is doing it, and the dealers and managements are not doing much to speed things up. It is slowing the game down, so its best to just regard it as another player that takes his time :p

thx for update, and the hard work

[Players are obliged to protect the interests of other players at all times in a tournament.]

I've gotta pretty much agree with phatomch's first answer. in a vacuum there's nothing wrong here, with history maybe there is

Players are obliged to protect the interests of other players at all times in a tournament.  The utg should not ask the question and should be penalised for asking.  The sb should refuse to answer as whatever he says will affect the uncompleted action.  When he answers he should be penalised.

Poker is riddled with scummy ppl - if these two aren't scummy but just ignorant, a penalty will get them to think about poker etiquette.

Indeed. It is the first rule of tournament poker. Both players have failed to do so here.

This is the first rule of poker
1.   Floor People
Floor people are to consider the best interest of the game and fairness as the top priority in the decision-making process. Unusual circumstances can on occasion dictate that decisions in the interest of fairness take priority over the technical rules. The floorperson's decision is final.

Unfortunately there is no universal set of rules so there may be grey areas where rules are concerned. Some situations have to be looked at individually.

 Also someone saying they are folding, out of turn is completely different to actually walking off to take a piss and physically folding out of turn.Verbal declarations out of turn are not binding

People are mentioning scenarios which are completely different from OP and each case can be ruled differently

explain how is folding out of turn different to walking off? Doing anything out of turn is not on, mistakes can be overlooked (for so long) but delibrate out of turn actions should ALWAYS get a penalty. So walking off is surely the same as a delibrate fold out of turn, which people should not do...at all.
Always verbal declarations out of turn are BINDING!

Still trying to get people to post solutions to these infringments. Since everyone is upset whenever a decision is not gone their way, lets work out whats the best thing to do, rather than list examples which in time will still be there, and many more people getting upset.

Can someone post this rule, I'm not sure if I'm being daft as everyone seems to know of this rule, bar me. Most rules I've read, allows players that are still active in the pot to make comments. I'm not agreeing that this is right, but I'm trying to address that these issues are very hard to deal with and a solution should be found worldwide and implimented. Most poker dealers do not have a thorough understanding of the game so its very hard for them to enforce or protect players if they don't actually know why these things are wrong.
Also I believe there are far more serious things a player can do to gain an advantage and often do, and they get away with it.
Again, the allin player could gain or lose an advantage depending on his hand strength or result, the player that said he might not be calling might be lying.
I am one that thinks everyone should be able to do anything within the rules to gather information. So I was for, allowing to show cards (one or both), be able to say what hands you've got, be able to interogate your opponents obviously not used in collusion purposes.

I'm not quite sure these rules exist. As far as I'm concerned, you should be able to ask anything if you are still in the hand, poker is after all information gathering. Whether it is right, morally, I cannot comment.
Without knowing whether they were mates or collusion or anything, I would say UTG did nothing more than if someone (facing a thousand pound bet) asks his opponent what his holdings were to gain some sort of advantage.
Again, the BB can answer truthfully or lie and it is obviously up to UTG to guess. The BB could have easily have had AA and wanted to induce a call? So BB (as he is still in the hand) can say whatever he wants and it is up to others to guess. Again, this is a moral issue, some people have none.
Having said the above, I can't see people getting penalized for these kind of action. If they repeat these action as proven collusion, they will then be banned from the premises. But there are tons of people angle-shooting and trys to cheat, or take advantage of others (beginners) that I think are issue much more pressing than these. If people should get a 20min penalty for speech-play, then surely out of turn bets etc should also get 10min everytime?