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16  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Shot Clocks in Live Poker. The way forward? on: March 09, 2014, 06:46:30 PM
A nine way chess clock, players get accrue a minute every 10 minutes so you can work out how much should be on the clock for relevant structures. Run out of time and your disqualified. Players can then act fast to start with and slow it down at the business end. Bet out of turn and get a 30 second penalty. Kills loads of birds with one stone. Just gotta invent the bloody thing now Smiley
17  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Ruling please on: January 17, 2014, 06:27:30 AM
If throwing one chip in the middle takes less time than saying the word "call", you're saying it wrong

 
18  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Ruling please on: January 16, 2014, 07:24:52 AM
Had a very similar thread on a different forum, can't be arsed to write out another one lol:

The lazy call, really pisses me off. Some "Pro's" in the bigger games have introduced a habit that seems to becoming the norm (and for some reason accepted by dealers?). I first came across this dealing in an EPT in Barcelona and was amazed at the outcome.
 
Preflop Player A (UTG) raised all-in, Player B (UTG +1) says nothing and throws in 1 hundred chip, I was like WTF? player had a go at me and says obviously it is a call, and told me it was in the rules? Confident it wasn't I called the floor, and they backed the player up, saying if a player puts any chips into the pot following an all-in they are accepting the action. This is utter bollox btw unless playing heads up (for the exact reason shown in the OP). Confirmed by the TD after I came off the table and queried.
 
Action follows action, if headphone man sees the player to his right throw a single chip in, he should be able to assume that the bet will be no larger than that chips value.
 
It actually takes less effort to just say "call" rather than flick a chip in and look like a knob.

If action is now on headphone man, he can now see the player to his immediate right has cards and no chips have gone in, he will now ask what the action is or at least check everyone elses action himself.
 
Ironically, if a player tries to match the call without saying anything and puts a number of chips that he thinks matches the call and makes a mistake (i.e. someone bets 95k and the action player puts 45k in and didn't see the 50k chip mixed in a lower value stack) then they have the option of making up to 95k or forfeiting the 45k.
 
In short, the dealer should be telling the chip flicker to say call (without any chips) or push the call over the line, so by the time it gets to headphone man he will know what is going on as would the rest of the table lol.
 
I am however a strong advocate of each player should follow the action, just think it is a real twatty move to put one chip in for a call in a multi way pot Smiley

Edit: the fact you flicked in one chip (as you say indicating a call) trying to get out of it is the angle, disgusting behaviour but in my rule book that would all you would have to put in. However if you flicked one chip in if I was dealing before I proceed to the next player I would be asking you WTF that was lol
19  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Interesting situation/ruling on: January 11, 2014, 05:02:02 AM
Did the police not pause the comp?
20  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Seats for future events deducted from prizepools. on: January 06, 2014, 01:58:05 PM
If it is clearly advertised then I cannot see a problem.
What I would like to see (for the protection of overlays) is added money to make up the guarantee added as tournament pounds on deposit for future live or online tourneys. So Prizepools are honoured but the overlay stays in the club.
21  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Min raise ruling on: December 30, 2013, 08:57:27 PM
Personally for me min raise is to 10k, but Pokerstars have now changed their rules for UKIPT's and EPT's that in this scenario the 6k is classed as a call, and if someone wanted to min raise then it would be to 8k total. Don't agree with it and think someone has got confused with limit. But it is what it is and that is what they now do.
22  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Yet Another Ruling Thread on: December 21, 2013, 02:31:19 PM
Just as a by the by, the dealer notices that at the point of noticing that utg has 3, he counts the mucked cards and there are 5? Same decision?
23  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Yet Another Ruling Thread on: December 21, 2013, 02:28:58 PM
sorry just edited
24  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Yet Another Ruling Thread on: December 21, 2013, 02:20:08 PM
It's been a while since I looked at RR but going on the OP's use. Using the
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1. Once action begins, a misdeal cannot be called.
, if I had aces utg+1 and noticed that utg has 3 cards and i deliberately quick call or raise out of turn are you saying that the hand stands now I have made action (be it out of turn)?

Edit: just read the whole of that RR quote and it seems to indicate that your point is valid, however as it is out of turn i would have to use rule 1.
25  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Yet Another Ruling Thread on: December 21, 2013, 02:06:35 PM
Action is on UTG with 3 cards isn't it?
4 and 5 out of turn so that is not classed as action. The player with 3 cards is first to speak, he should be saying he has 3 cards. If he acts and then notices he has 3 cards his hand is dead.

Quote
1. Once action begins, a misdeal cannot be called.
Action has not begun

Misdeal

Perfect as always by Mr dik9.

Btw, generally nowadays, sufficient action is classed as 2 actions with chips, 3 without.

Must buy beer Smiley
26  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Yet Another Ruling Thread on: December 21, 2013, 02:05:02 PM
doubleup, we usually see eye to eye, but in this case i have to disagree for a couple of reasons.

firstly, rr and tda define significant action as 2 actions with chips, or 3 without. 2 folds out of turn is not significant.

But my issue is with the fact UTG has got 3 cards, hasn't done anything wrong (not tried to play or fold them). He is still first to act this is pivotal in my decision. UTG + 1 in a similar scenario would be having a dead hand called.

It is quite rare for a single player to have 3 cards and it not be the button or sb. Something went wrong with the hand and the person who should start the action has 3 cards.



27  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Yet Another Ruling Thread on: December 21, 2013, 05:16:21 AM
Action is on UTG with 3 cards isn't it?
4 and 5 out of turn so that is not classed as action. The player with 3 cards is first to speak, he should be saying he has 3 cards. If he acts and then notices he has 3 cards his hand is dead.

Quote
1. Once action begins, a misdeal cannot be called.
Action has not begun

Misdeal
28  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Do we need ANTES in DTD's £15 to £50 Evening Comps (30 min clocks or less)? on: December 16, 2013, 03:19:24 PM
That's not an argument for or against antes by the way, that is an argument for higher ante % per round. (and 100% agree with it)
29  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Do we need ANTES in DTD's £15 to £50 Evening Comps (30 min clocks or less)? on: December 16, 2013, 01:38:52 PM
Remember that feeling when you scooped your first ever massive live pot and the dealer heaves a mound of lovely chips at you? I do. It was great.

Antes pretty much ensure lots of chips on the table which means more FUN. Yeehaa.

If this is an issue, just put more lower value chips instead of a couple of 1ks.

Also race chips off later in the comp.

Please don't do this. Watching some ham-fisted player ask me for $500 worth of ante chips (which I happily give in the off-chance it helps him speed up putting an ante in) and then count out a flop call of $450 in said ante chips (one at a time), before asking me next hand for some more change as he has "run out" is quite possibly one of the most tilting things to happen at a table.



^^^^ THIS^^^^
30  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Do we need ANTES in DTD's £15 to £50 Evening Comps (30 min clocks or less)? on: December 16, 2013, 01:37:28 PM
Back in the day though it was pot limit hold'em (no antes)

It sounds wrong, but at least if the smaller buy-in local comps have antes introduced at some stage, it speeds the game up on transformation to a bigger game becuase they auto do it.
In my experience the thing that significantly slows a game down is like 300/600/75 and below bets of eg 1425 followed by a raise of 2875 after someone has the majority of the 25's is a right pain in the arse. If the antes dont kick in till 400/800/100 then you can get rid of them on the second break.
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