It certainly feels that way to me, but I have to deal with them every day at work. Still if they aint interested they aint interested. Luckily some people are otherwise they prob wouldn't still have a business. But it's the same with all Casino groups. They are all filled with management types who are all full of their own self importance. Unfortunately the majority of these people are ex dealers with No Business skills, No People Skills, No Management Skills, just lots of experience of doing things the wrong way. Until they actually employ more managers with a clue about managing then things won't ever change.Until they actually put people in charge of areas that they understand then things won't change. And until then, the poker players amongst others will bear the brunt of the idiotic decisions made by people who have absolutely NO CLUE what is going on.


~Yogi~

Yogi I sympathise completely! Maybe as card room managers we can unofficially meet up for a drink over a couple of days and thrash out controversial rulings to give players the hymn sheet to sing off, whilst we play the organ. I presume you have the right to change or ammend rules, so why can't we sit down (maybe at a poker table) and bring some order ourselves!!

Dont agree with those rules at all and they are the exact opposite of the TDA rules. If I call somebody or am last to act on the river I want to see what he has been betting at me with/ what he was willing to defend his blind with- its not players curiosity it will help my future play against this player. If it means me sitting and waiting to turn my hand over in order then so be it. Poker is a game of information and how a player has bet his hand on the flop/turn/river etc is key information. Maybe he has made a semibluff on the turn with a straight/flush draw, I need to know that for the next time he makes the same move. I don't often ask to see a players cards but if I want to I should be allowed to- the phrase Ive paid for the right to see comes to mind.

Ariston referring to 9.08 it is a request to see a "called" hand, if someone has bet and you have called then the caller has paid to see the bettors hand, which is as you rightly say correct.

[9.01 ORDER OF SHOWDOWN.]

9.01 ORDER OF SHOWDOWN.
Upon completion of action on the final betting round, the dealer shall ask the players to show their hands. If more than one player contests a pot through the final betting round, the pot will be awarded to the best hand pursuant to the rules of the game upon a showdown of hands. If there has been a bet but no raise on the final betting round, then the player who made the bet shall show his hand first, followed by other players still contesting the pot, in clockwise rotation. If there has been a bet and raise or multiple raises on the final betting round, then the person who made the final raise shall show his hand first. If there has been no bet on the final round then the showdown begins with the player who had the obligation of first action on the final betting round--the player under the gun in draw and board games or the player with the highest board in stud games.

9.02 PROBABLE WINNER AT SHOWDOWN.
In the interests of efficiency and speeding up the game, a player who is reasonably certain he has the winning hand should turn over his hand immediately, regardless of the order of showdown. If a player does so, then other players at the showdown who can beat that hand should also turn their hands over immediately.

9.08 REQUESTS TO SEE A CALLED HAND.
Players shall not be entitled to see a called hand except in cases where there is a reasonable suspicion of collusion, in which case the floorperson shall be called over for examination of the called hand. This is contrary to the traditional rule. However the traditional rule, which was designed to prevent collusion, has not served its original purpose. Asking to see called hands slows down the game, causes resentment and impedes action. In high limit games, the right to see a called hand is limited to situations where a floorperson is present for the request. The purpose of this rule is to protect against collusion, not to satisfy a player's curiosity or get a read on a player's style of play, or worst of all, to intentionally irritate a player. Abuse of this rule is very bad for poker as it kills action and causes resentment. A player who was involved on the turn may request a hand be shown, this is entirely the choice of the player involved but continuous requests to see hands shall be considered a breach of poker etiquette and may be grounds for removal from the game. There is no right to see a called losing hand under any circumstances in head's up play.

These rules are "CARO AND COOKES"

[7.08 MONEY IN VIEW.]

7.08 MONEY IN VIEW.
At the start of each hand every player at the table has the right to know how much money every other player at the table has in play, so that he knows how much he stands to win relative to what he has at risk. All money in play shall be in full view at all times. Money hidden from view may or may not play, depending on the extent to which it is visible, as determined by the dealer. Every player has the right to an unimpeded view of another player's chips and cash, and should there be any doubt as to how much money is in play, any player may ask the dealer to determine how much money another player has in play.

Its not just universely accepted it is in ours and most other card rooms rules!!

Shit day at work! but blondites make my week, I spat coffee more than reading red-dogs twin!!! I love u guys and gals...TY

Tightend...I bet my mortgage that I am no goody two shoes!!!
And the one I didn't score on was 19.....I cannot celebrate cuz I've never won!!
 

Jesus, I just scored 19!!!!!!!! And I am the card room manager!!! WTF!

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Sun, Mon, Tues, Weds £20 NLHE all start at 9.15

Suggest you get there about 8.15 to guarantee seat for Sunday I turned 16 away last Sunday as over max capacity

Rebuy period is 90 mins at a flat ante 25/50 20 min break for food and then a 20 min clock after.

Glad you liked the place, sorry about the price of drinks, there are a few reasons for that.

Cheers

No Problems, Off  till Sunday Hope you enjoy yourself, good luck! Cash desk can cope....I hope!!!!

To be controversial, I like this rule....as we don'y do alternates. If someone has pre booked and not on the premises I can replace that seat with someone standing next to me on a reserve list, who is waiting to play.

2000 pts 90mins rebuys 25/50
clock every 20 mins after that

With you Yogi...... it does say "on the premises, at the start of the competition". So I see no reason why not. I will ask our gaming inspector Tuesday.

Hope he comes back with a positive as it would be good ! It will also stop people being disappointed when comps are full.

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Broadway Casino Birmingham ; every wednesday throughout August we are holding super sats for the 500 event or the 1000 event

Wednesday 17th 25 NLHE Super sat with rebuys and a top up for the 500 NLHE (with 1 rebuy OR top up) comp on the Thursday 8th September.

Wednesday 24th 50 NLHE Super sat with rebuys and a top up for the main 1000 NLHE freezeout on the 10th September (should be televised as well subject to confirmation)

Scooze the plug... but thats what this thread is for isn't it?

Cheers RED-DOG