Unfortunately they can no longer be deleted because 2 fools have gone and quoted them!!!

That'll be 4 of us in the sin bin then....

 

Deep stack = raise like any other hand but c/fold most flops unless you flop a set or a solid draw (n-flush draw plus aces is only a 2/1 dog vs a set and never usually behind vs any other hand)

What if you keep getting reraised? Do we want to be all in if we get the chance?

According to Ferguson in teh Full Tilt book:

    49.3% vs 50.7% 

  49.6% vs 50.4% 

Just ran this through a calc and it says exactly the same.

That's sorted it I'm never playing aces again!!!!!! 

I'm not a plumber but I know that if you run 2 power showers for any length of time they will soon drain your tank.

Once your tank drains the pump will switch off to stop it over heating.

It could be that simple. Are you having longer showers than usual because of the weather? Have you given your tank time to fill up since draining it off? They do take a little while.

You might find that just leaving it a while to fill up will fix everything.

Or you might not.

did you ever think of ringing a plumber??

Every game of Omaha I ever play ends like this.

a) Get dealt AAxx
b) Flop top set
c) Get money all in on flop
d) Lose

That's my point. You don't want to see a flop because it's a poor drawing hand. You want to be heads up then you're always a favourite. Hence shovel more and more money in. If people fold then fine but as long as we end up against 1 oppo then it's ok.

Or is it?

I'm still thick!!!

7/10 so improving.

What a random set of questions. I wish I could remember them but they were so obscure I just didn't care.

8/10 tomorrow. 10/10 by Saturday.

I've been having a discussion with a friend about the value of AA in your omaha starting hand.

My thoughts are that given the opportunity you should try to get heads up and have all the chips in pre flop but I just wondered what others thought.

I don't like playing AA because it doesn't play too well after the flop but if I see a raise and a couple of calls am I correct to bet the pot and try to get as much in as possible.

I've ran it as a calc and I can't find any hand that's ahead of AA xx rainbow apart from the other AA with connected cards and even then the tie is 70%. Against hands like 5678 ds we are about 54%.

From what I can see worst case is being 54% 46% favourite so you have to shovel as much in as possible to try to make sure you get heads up.

Any ideas??

Has anyone considered the call as a viable option?

Not sure whether it's a good idea or not but could be worth thinking about.

This is a clear fold for me. Fair enough they both overplay hands but do they do it to this degree? You've shown your strength by calling the post flop bet.

3 reasons that I am folding here:-

Villain 1 doesn't care that you called the bet and has come straight over the top all in.

Villain 2 doesn't care about the all in and cares less about you.

Nobody posts a hand on here that they actually win 

I'm thick!!!!!!

And slow!!!!

I have to say this is one of the best PHA threads I've seen.

I'd never think of playing 35 suited UTG and calling a raise with it - I only ever seem to get busted by people with hands like that.

Can I ask a question though, if the raise to 400 isn't enough to get 35 suited to fold, what sort of raise should you make to get him to fold without it being a ridiculous over-bet?? (I know the answer is dependant on stack-size etc. but in general term if the blinds are 100/200 and say both player had about 5k).

I don't think you understand completely here. If he limps at 100/200 playing 5k then I think that is pretty awful.

Spot on. Limping 25 BBs deep is very different to doing it 145 BBs deep which is what the oppo was in this case.

Anybody who has accumulated this many chips by the 4th level has got to be very loose and must've played almost every hand. He's hit lucky a few times but that's what he's banking on.

The difficulty playing against this guy is that you'll never know what he's got. He's rarely going to pay you off nicely but he will occassionally break you. Very tough oppo tbh.

Best strategy against this type of player is to raise or reraise him large. If you've got 99+ or AK you're justified in shoving the lot in because his calling range will include several pairs below you and probably A10 maybe even A9.

It's risky but it can get you paid off. Stand up to him when he's stacked because he'll happily take a race to accumulate which is what you need to do in these tourneys.

Just be carefully shoving if there's loads left to act because they might call you as well 

Good luck with this. Unfortunately I've missed out but would've had a slice if it was available.

Obviously people are confident in you because you've sold out very quickly.

You've put together a very good proposal that inspires confidence. Nice to see it done properly as a business proposal with attainable realistic figures.

It's also good that you've highlighted the fact that you've busted a couple of times. Honesty pays.

Good luck again 

As above. Both of you are pot committed (unless you're both very bad) so the chips are going in.

I'd say it's a straight forward push.

lol how is calling 300 with 35 soooted bad?

Because he should've raised with it!!!

At least then if he misses he can represent 

Agreed i would rather see him open for 250/300 but i guess its ok to limp when the standard is probably poor like a $10 comp

I may have been hasty here. He's UTG so limp is probably acceptable. If you raise to 300 then get repopped to 1100 your implied odds are slashed dramatically and it's not an easy call. In fact I'd say it's a fold. Your not raising to steal in these tournaments so you need to see the flop.

I would say limping to call a 4 x raise is a decent idea from this position.

no no no, as a fellow stakee I am happy for iron to play whatever the maths involved in the crazy games means when he plays straight o it will be a walk in the park

But he keeps losing.......