Excellent. A new name for my bad beats.

Do you get a 50p fine for a cooler story??

Erm this might be a bit of a silly question but.........................



What's a cooler?

Sorry I'm still fairly new to this and I've not got all the technical terms

I can't believe I didn't fold pre flop. I never play these sort of hands but just thought I'd have a look and see if I got lucky.

All in all a big lesson learned that I should stick to the game I know best (tight) and not try to be clever.

TBH if I'd played my tight game I'd probably have done quite well. the hyper aggressive guy was there for the taking and just loved showing his bluffs.

Thanks again all 

Live poker is very slow (compared to online), and the temptation is to start playing weaker hands / out of position etc..., more out of boredom than anything else.

If you find yourself starting to do this, you are best to go home, or go and play a smaller game (£0.50/£1) and chuck some chips around and have some fun.

The standard in Live Cash poker is mostly shocking, but to make a profit you need to exploit the fish, not copy them.

Tip taken on board. Thanks.

It's strange because I'm a really patient tournament player and usually go quite deep with some very steady play. That night though I'd busted out early so decided to play cash.

Maybe I was on tilt after my silly tournament exit, AK with AQ on the board and foolishly couldn't get away, (if I told you the action you'd see why I said foolishly, it was obvious!!). Again uncharacteristic.

Good job I only had £160 in my pocket or it could've been a lot worse. Hopefully it was just a bad night but I've taken a lot from it and appreciate everyones's comments.

Feel free to post more.......

Even if it's just to tell me I'm a fool

Sometimes a dose of the truth helps.

Thanks again 

Thanks for all the responses. I knew I'd done everything wrong I just needed it confirming.

I can't believe I didn't fold pre flop. I never play these sort of hands but just thought I'd have a look and see if I got lucky. There's nothing worse that getting half lucky and not knowing where you are is there??

I actually pushed after the turn hoping that he'd fold (praying more like  )

He thought for a while then said I'm ready to go home anyway (implying that he thought he was behind) and showed  . That killed 6 of my outs and the  on the river filled his royal flush.

All in all a big lesson learned that I should stick to the game I know best (tight) and not try to be clever.

TBH if I'd played my tight game I'd probably have done quite well. the hyper aggressive guy was there for the taking and just loved showing his bluffs.

Thanks again all 

DTD cash game 1/2. 9 handed.

I'm sat with £154, everyone else is similar not sure of exact figures.

I'm in the big blind with 

Action is fold, fold, fold, raise to 15, call, raise to 25 (had to make this a call for 15 as under raised with 1 chip), fold, call, I CALL.

So we've got 5 players in a £75 pot.

Flop comes 

Small blind checks, I decide to lead out £22 hoping to take the pot now with my open ended straight (mistake?? let me know?)

Initial raiser (the aggressive danger player) folds, next guy folds, guy who'd tried the raise before calls then it's fold so just the 2 of us left with the pot now at £119

A little bit about the other guy. He's very difficult to read. He's not often a caller, he either raises or folds. He's been married to kk and qq already and called small bets with an ace on board and lost decent pots. He's folded to big raises a couple of times after seeming strong early in the hand. Not got much more cos we've not been here very long.

Turn comes 

I bet £20 wanting him to think that I want the call and he min raises to £40

What now?? I've got a decent pair but not great. I've got a good draw and can maybe represent the flush draw as well. So what's my next move?

Help please........

shovveeeeeeee.

if you flat it then shove the flop you're giving the chance for hands like A2+, Kx+, Qx+, small pairs and everything else in his range the chance to fold on an unfavourable flop.

You're also setting yourself up to be bluffed if any over's hit the flop. He's almost guaranteed to shove on any flop given your stack so I'd say you did the right thing.

Me and a friend have discussed these hands a lot and can't come up with a good way of playing them no matter what stage of a tournament. At the stage you were at you've got to be happy with a 50 50 or better so it's got to be shove and hope he doesn't hit.

[Folding A9c here pre is good if you can't play flops, but if you can't play flops you should probably stick to scrabble]

Maybe I'm the tightest player on the planet but would anyone else consider folding pre flop?

Maybe in late position it's worth a raise or possibly early position if it's a six seater but otherwise I'm folding with the stacks and blinds as they are.

I never like these sort of hands early on in tournaments. They're nothing but trouble as far as my (very limited) experience goes. It doesn't seem to matter what you hit you just never know quite where you stand after the flop and are always going to get put to big decisions. I don't mind this later on but at this stage it's just not worth it.

After the flop I'm folding here with no hesitation at all. This hand is useless unless you've hit the nuts or it's cheap to carry on to see if you do.

Maybe that's why Mr Wernick has earned so much more out of poker than I ever will

One more thing......

Barney Boatman calling with 9 3!!! What's that all about? Must've been in the big blind but even so what can you possibly hit? If you hit you're probably not getting paid because no one else hits. If you miss you miss big and lose a few hundred chips. If you hit and someone else hits big enough to play along you're probably losing.......

I'm not knocking these plays because these guys are good players and probably better than I'll ever be but I just don't get what he hopes to achieve with 9 3?

Looks like I've got a lot to learn.

Do you go out of a lot of tournaments pushing all in with 7BB and losing a 60-40?

Do you ever post your thoughts on the hand anymore or do you just wait to disagree with someone or make barbed comments?

cmon mate, how do you see the hand?

TBH lloyd has hit it, you are not loving it but you can't pass here. Fist-pump-shove-aments

Folding A9c here pre is good if you can't play flops, but if you can't play flops you should probably stick to scrabble.

So funny.....

If Mickey Wernick can get it wrong playing this hand after the flop then I think I'll stick to more more solid openings from early position. At least until I've got a bit more experience anyway 

Give us a chance dude, of course I can't play every flop perfectly yet, I've only been playing 6 months. But I'm learning fast so watch out, EvilPie's coming after you all........... (As long as he's dealt monster cards every time )

And as far as I'm aware playing flops with mediocre hands is about convincing the other guys that you're stronger than them. This works out pretty badly when they've both got hands that they can't put down no matter what you do. Even Gus Hansen, Phil Ivey etc. would have struggled with this one after the flop. I'll stick to the Dan Harrington theory that this is not a good enough opening hand and fold it. At least until I get to see evidence to the contrary.

Maybe I'm the tightest player on the planet but would anyone else consider folding pre flop?

Maybe in late position it's worth a raise or possibly early position if it's a six seater but otherwise I'm folding with the stacks and blinds as they are.

I never like these sort of hands early on in tournaments. They're nothing but trouble as far as my (very limited) experience goes. It doesn't seem to matter what you hit you just never know quite where you stand after the flop and are always going to get put to big decisions. I don't mind this later on but at this stage it's just not worth it.

After the flop I'm folding here with no hesitation at all. This hand is useless unless you've hit the nuts or it's cheap to carry on to see if you do.

Maybe that's why Mr Wernick has earned so much more out of poker than I ever will

One more thing......

Barney Boatman calling with 9 3!!! What's that all about? Must've been in the big blind but even so what can you possibly hit? If you hit you're probably not getting paid because no one else hits. If you miss you miss big and lose a few hundred chips. If you hit and someone else hits big enough to play along you're probably losing.......

I'm not knocking these plays because these guys are good players and probably better than I'll ever be but I just don't get what he hopes to achieve with 9 3?

Looks like I've got a lot to learn.

Do you go out of a lot of tournaments pushing all in with 7BB and losing a 60-40?

Of course I do. Doesn't everybody??

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=20524.0

Have you read the thread above? It might be aimed at you...........

Nice that someone with 13000 posts is so encouraging to someone with 3. Thanks dude!!



PS. I've finished defending myself. No more thread jacking from me. I think this has gone a bit off topic.

One more thing......

Barney Boatman calling with 9 3!!! What's that all about? Must've been in the big blind but even so what can you possibly hit? If you hit you're probably not getting paid because no one else hits. If you miss you miss big and lose a few hundred chips. If you hit and someone else hits big enough to play along you're probably losing.......

I'm not knocking these plays because these guys are good players and probably better than I'll ever be but I just don't get what he hopes to achieve with 9 3?

Looks like I've got a lot to learn.

Maybe I'm the tightest player on the planet but would anyone else consider folding pre flop?

Maybe in late position it's worth a raise or possibly early position if it's a six seater but otherwise I'm folding with the stacks and blinds as they are.

I never like these sort of hands early on in tournaments. They're nothing but trouble as far as my (very limited) experience goes. It doesn't seem to matter what you hit you just never know quite where you stand after the flop and are always going to get put to big decisions. I don't mind this later on but at this stage it's just not worth it.

After the flop I'm folding here with no hesitation at all. This hand is useless unless you've hit the nuts or it's cheap to carry on to see if you do.

Maybe that's why Mr Wernick has earned so much more out of poker than I ever will