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46  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: Tv Licenses for the over 75s on: June 13, 2019, 07:01:50 AM
The cynical among us will reckon the BBC making this announcement during the Tory leadership campaign is no coincidence. Personally I think the licence fee is outdated , must be a better way to fund BBC?

This.

How?

Please don’t suggest advertising.

Why?

The common argument against is that we'll end up with TV like the US - but why should we end up with US level of advertising rather than Channel 4 level of advertising? (for example).

I've also accessed the BBC website in the US, where it contains advertising - it really wasn't that bad.

The alternative is a subscription based model - that would result in a lot smaller viewership and the channel would have to be cut back accordingly - a few years ago I would have argued strongly for the retention of government funding of the BBC because it was exceptional; but now it's pretty much just another major network. If it's going to act like a commercial broadcaster it probably should be treated as such.


In effect the BBC is already a subscription based service. It is funded by the licence fee plus any commercial income from selling programmes overseas. It doesn’t get government subsidies, other than the now discontinued, cost of free TV licences for the over 75s.

On the original point, this concession was first introduced in 1999 when the over 75s would all have lived through some of the toughest decades this country has ever faced. By all means phase out the scheme, maybe by saying that the only people who qualify were those born before 1930.
The post-war generations have enjoyed so many other advantages that dishing out free tv licences as a lifetime’s worth of 75th birthday present seems unnecessary.


In effect a subscription service?  People write some odd things on the internet but this is right up there.
47  Community Forums / Betting Tips and Sport Discussion / Re: Women's World Cup on: June 08, 2019, 09:35:51 AM
Won't make any difference to the result in the France v South Korea game, but can't help thinking that VAR's being allowed to become a joke. How can a player possibly know the relative position of one part of their body to that of their opponent at the split second that the ball is struck by the attacking player? I honestly thought that there had to be a clear an obvious error in the official's initial decision.

Unfortunately this is going to happen a lot because offside is binary.  Before I saw the lines I thought it was definitely onside but the right decision was ultimately made.   I’d modify the rule to say as long as you have a scoring body part behind the mid point you are onside of the last defender and then VAR draws a line from middle of last defenders head or something.  Sooner of later a goal is going to be ruled out due to their man bun being over the line!
48  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: LGBT/same sex marriage lessons in school on: May 31, 2019, 09:17:26 AM
In primary schools, it is called "relationships education", sex education starts at secondary school.

Relationships education includes:-

- the role of the family
- caring friendships
- respectful relationships
- online relationships
- being safe

At times throughout this, they mention that a family could include LGBT parents - ditto for a respectful relationship.

I have no time for anyone protesting this.
.

Sounds sensible.   Not sure why anyone would think otherwise.
49  Community Forums / Betting Tips and Sport Discussion / Re: Tips for Tikay on: May 31, 2019, 07:07:28 AM
I don't understand how a takeover really makes much difference nowadays due to FFP your only allowed to increase your net spend by a little bit year on year

Don’t think it applies to premier league?  It’s just an slap on the wrist if your wages go up too much?  If you are in Europe then you go into new FFP rules.   Seems to be a flat spot between champo and Europe?
50  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: May 30, 2019, 09:45:10 AM
What is the level that means someone is classed as being in poverty?

Is it the 60% of the median household income, found that on a quick google....

Depends if you want to be dishonest and drop “relative” from the description “relative poverty” because you want to do some obvious political point scoring?  If so then yes that is your poverty definition.

?

No point scoring.

I set the wage for 90 people, I wouldn't like to think any of them are in the poverty bracket.

Sorry wasn’t aimed at you.  More a general grumble at the merging of absolute/relative poverty when quoting stats which prevents proper debate (in my view).
51  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: May 30, 2019, 08:26:37 AM
Anyone who thinks there is a lot of poverty in this country (some politician was even saying 15 mill the other day) needs to get their arse over to India or somewhere similar for a reality check and a benchmark as to what real poverty is.......

They aren’t interested in the truth.  The term “poverty” has been childishly cannibalised over the last decade by the Left and it just hinders debate.

Loads of people are interested in the truth and think the massive inequality should be addressed. No one should live in poverty in the 5th richest country in the world. In your opinion is there a way this can be achieved?

Of course it can be achieved.  Scandanavian levels of tax where everyone pays more and the rich doubly so.

But on poverty you’ve made my point for me in your post by interchanging poverty and inequality.  When you say poverty are you referring to relative or absolute poverty?   They probably need different government policy to address.

The figures I cited were for relative poverty.

https://www.norden.org/en/news/increasing-income-inequality-nordics

In that case in answer to your question  I’d imagine it is undesirable to have zero people in relative poverty.  What would that income distribution look like?   You’d be moving into the ideology of communism?

  However 12 million(or whatever the UK number is is a worrying number and reflects a society that isn’t working.  To reform that though needs a change in mindset for all.  Yes, tax the higher earners more but you also need to ramp up tax burden on the 30k to 70k earners as well.  Reduce personal allowance to 2k.  VAT at 25%.  Higher band rates in the mid sixties.   It might well be the right thing to do but I wouldn’t fancy my chances with the electorate.
52  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: May 30, 2019, 07:05:36 AM
Anyone who thinks there is a lot of poverty in this country (some politician was even saying 15 mill the other day) needs to get their arse over to India or somewhere similar for a reality check and a benchmark as to what real poverty is.......

They aren’t interested in the truth.  The term “poverty” has been childishly cannibalised over the last decade by the Left and it just hinders debate.

Loads of people are interested in the truth and think the massive inequality should be addressed. No one should live in poverty in the 5th richest country in the world. In your opinion is there a way this can be achieved?

Of course it can be achieved.  Scandanavian levels of tax where everyone pays more and the rich doubly so.

But on poverty you’ve made my point for me in your post by interchanging poverty and inequality.  When you say poverty are you referring to relative or absolute poverty?   They probably need different government policy to address.
53  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: May 29, 2019, 08:54:29 PM
Anyone who thinks there is a lot of poverty in this country (some politician was even saying 15 mill the other day) needs to get their arse over to India or somewhere similar for a reality check and a benchmark as to what real poverty is.......

They aren’t interested in the truth.  The term “poverty” has been childishly cannibalised over the last decade by the Left and it just hinders debate.
54  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: May 29, 2019, 08:51:42 PM
Is the figure the same whether you live in Mayfair or Teeside?  If so it just proves how pointless the figure is

How many people do you think are living in Mayfair and earning <60% of Median Household Income?
I expect more from someone of your obvious smarts.

Congratulations for missing his point.  Do you think they are all in Teeside?

Maybe he, or you, need to explain his point a bit better.


Leaving aside the fact £15k a year is tougher in Watford than in Middlesborough (which is his point), it’s a matter of honesty:

Do I think inequality is a problem in this country? Yes.
Would I struggle to live on 15k with kids? Yes
But let’s call it what it is.  Inequality.  If you have 15k a year you shouldn’t starve or go without heat in the UK.
Inequality is a topic intensely worthy of debate.  I’d like a scandanavian tax system, but call for virtually zero personal allowance and 25% VAT and everyone starts squealing as they only want the rich to pay.

When I see a report begin with “12 million Britons are in poverty” as I did last week, or a poster on here quote “4 million working Britons are in poverty”, I just roll my eyes and stop reading because their political bias is plain for all to see.   Just be honest about the term poverty v inequality and we can have a proper debate.

Scandaniavian tax rates anyone?  Or do you want to blame the rich bogeyman and hide behind your “poverty” stats?
55  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: May 29, 2019, 08:49:14 PM
Is the figure the same whether you live in Mayfair or Teeside?  If so it just proves how pointless the figure is

How many people do you think are living in Mayfair and earning <60% of Median Household Income?
I expect more from someone of your obvious smarts.

Congratulations for missing his point.  Do you think they are all in Teeside?

Maybe he, or you, need to explain his point a bit better.


Leaving aside the fact £15k a year is tougher in Watford than in Middlesborough (which is his point), it’s a matter of honesty:

Do I think inequality is a problem in this country? Yes.
Would I struggle to live on 15k with kids? Yes
But let’s call it what it is.  Inequality.  If you have 15k a year you shouldn’t starve or go without heat in the UK.
Inequality is a topic intensely worthy of debate.  I’d like a scandanavian tax system, but call for virtually zero personal allowance and 25% VAT and everyone starts squealing as they only want the rich to pay.

When I see a report begin with “12 million Britons are in poverty” as I did last week, or a poster on here quote “4 million working Britons are in poverty” I just roll my eyes and stop reading because their political bias is plain for all to see.   Just be honest about the term poverty v inequality and we can have a proper debate.

Scandaniavian tax rates anyone?  Or do you want to blame the rich bogeyman and hide behind your “poverty” stats?
56  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: May 29, 2019, 06:40:26 PM
Is the figure the same whether you live in Mayfair or Teeside?  If so it just proves how pointless the figure is

How many people do you think are living in Mayfair and earning <60% of Median Household Income?
I expect more from someone of your obvious smarts.

Congratulations for missing his point.  Do you think they are all in Teeside?
57  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged on: May 29, 2019, 06:29:36 PM
What is the level that means someone is classed as being in poverty?

Is it the 60% of the median household income, found that on a quick google....

Depends if you want to be dishonest and drop “relative” from the description “relative poverty” because you want to do some obvious political point scoring?  If so then yes that is your poverty definition.
58  Community Forums / Betting Tips and Sport Discussion / Re: Noisy Neighbours - the Man City thread on: May 20, 2019, 11:21:04 AM
The Cup Final was misery.  Just felt so inevitable like a pre season exhibition game.   I left at 0-5 and what was baffling was to see a few groups of City fans catching an early train and not bothering to see the cup being lifted.  Guess they find it boring as well now!
59  Community Forums / Betting Tips and Sport Discussion / Re: Tips for Tikay on: May 15, 2019, 09:52:12 PM
Cracking to see Leeds fail after listening to the journo idiots telling us how Premier League NEEDED Leeds.  Here’s to another decade with them being poor.
60  Community Forums / Betting Tips and Sport Discussion / Re: Brighton sack Chris Hughton. on: May 15, 2019, 09:18:12 PM
I think it’s a good decision.  Negative manager on a downward trend.  Brighton are hardly paupers and could do much better.  Put it this way I’d be horrified if Watford took Hughton due to his negative one dimensional tactics.  No reason why Brighton couldn’t have matched Watford 50 points this year.
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