George and Fugly get yourselves over to Rileys Nottingham not Leicesteurrrggghh

Me and Ralph will come and beat you

First money match is on!

Riley's Nottingham is a dive pal lol. The roll on the tables there is crazy. Let alone tables being poorly maintained. lol

You're right, crap balls, crap tables, it's why I never play in Nottingham anymore.

Yes Stu, let's drive over there and lose to them and then George can take us somewhere nice for a ruby.

Sounds like a plan

Here is the plan/structure I want to have to make this as successful as possible. If you have any suggestions following this please have a say.

First off, I will set up two bank accounts separate from my living expenses – One for my half of the stake and another for your staking money. All money goes in there, and what I will do on a weekly or fortnightly basis is send account details to all the backers, so you can see what money has gone in (winnings) and out (stakes). By keeping accounts separate, it is easier to administrate and makes things simple. It just means carrying two cards around with me to withdraw equal amounts but that’s no hardship.

At the moment that means there’d be two accounts starting with £500 in each.

Any game won results in me paying Stakeback + 50% so for example if playing a match for £500, as you have 50% of the stake at £250 then you get that back plus £125 (50%) on top. If I lose, then that money has gone.

I do not intend to just turn up to a Rileys or Club 147 or wherever just hoping to get a game. If someone comes up and challenges me though, then I have that option to accept their challenge but only if I’m comfortable it’s a game I can win. I won’t be playing complete strangers who play like total crap then approach me, as that could be a hustle.

As I am putting my own money on the line as well, I will not be putting it all on one game. Even against a very bad player anything can still happen. That isn’t negative, it’s actually a good thing because if arrogance takes over then I will lose. I do not want to lose mine or your money.

I don’t really have any specific rule set for playing maximum %age in any one game, but as a general rule I will never go over 25%. If I intend to go over 25% of the roll I will try to get to one of you guys to see what you think. It would be a good idea if you have a ‘head’ of the group I can contact to get the green light. I don’t want to set money alight. I want to act with total integrity and honesty.

There is a designated Action Night in Wakefield on Thursdays where virtually every table has games on for money. This can be anything from £10 up to £200 depending on the players. This is the best night if I get a car full to try and make ‘big bucks’ in one night. I have a few challenges for an event called ‘Money Match TV’ ran at Vegas Bar for www.cuesport.tv too. One guy (Brendan Leigh) wants to play me for £500 a man, the other (Barry Briggs) will be £500 a man minimum but could possibly scrape more judging on other games he’s played.

I will keep a log book with all the money games played, dates, names, scores, amount played for etc. On a weekly basis I will email all backers with the results. I am objective, so I can tell you how I played. Where possible I’ll try to get a recording of my games, but you can understand some guys don’t want to end up on youtube randomly so might not always be possible?

For any small games up to £50 I don’t really see any need to consult you guys on my opponents because it’s going to be guys’ whose speed I already know. However any amount over that I will consult all of you and give you what information I can on the player. I will not be counting national rankings in my assessment of a game, because they mean nothing. Too many good players on tour, and if you play only 1 or 2 events a year and lose to say Ben Finch or Shane Appleton then you’re gonna be rock bottom, but may actually be a great player. I have enough contacts in the game to help me find out about somebody’s speed.

One thing that needs considering by you guys, is how regularly you’d like the payments. To start off with it’s going to be miniscule amounts if you’re splitting between 4. I can either pay all of you separately through bank transfers, or if you want to set up a group account (if that’s easy) then can pay to that and you guys work out the winnings between yourselves. Any money that goes back into your bank account can be used for staking until you all decide otherwise.

To confirm who is in on the action so far:-

The Camel - £125
GreekStein - £125
Dubai - £125 (please confirm)
ACE2M - £125

George and Fugly get yourselves over to Rileys Nottingham not Leicesteurrrggghh

Me and Ralph will come and beat you

First money match is on!

Riley's Nottingham is a dive pal lol. The roll on the tables there is crazy. Let alone tables being poorly maintained. lol

Do you ever find the chess skillz helping out with the pool at all?

Ches itself taught me to never give up and fight for every last hope (swindles etc). Translating to pool that means never conceding because they could dog a ball and leave you with the rack. Chess also taught me to be resourceful and once you find a move (or shot for pool) then look for another one. Not so relevant for rotation games, but for One Pocket and Straight Pool (14.1) it's very important.

Pool is social and fun, chess is about as anti-social and reclusive as it gets

You're lazy for not checking everything you've missed.

Cheers Red Dog lol

u planning to do one?

No, just wanna see what people have done that's so f'd up. Makes for interesting reading

Call me lazy for not checking everything I've missed, but what scams went on last year that have left people being p***ed?

doesnt seem like there is much money in the game

Depends. If I am being expected to rake in tens of thousands then you would be right. But there are plenty of games I can take at few hundred a time, while building up with smaller games at same time. There are regular action nights at Vegas Bar Wakefield and I know of places I can go to get games. Even if it means me travelling to wakefield there are enough games going that I can gain an edge in.

This isn't a quick buck thing, unless Dubai really does know loads of idiots ready to chuck away cash off levels lol

Also live in Wigston. Play any other clubs in leicester?

Ooooh a Wigstonian in the house

Main club is Rileys by the Infirmary, because I get free table time there. Play at Rack n Roll and Club 147 as well. Winchester is too expensive to practise on my own - £6 an hour for dead tables is no good for me. Whereabouts are you? I live by the Cuisine of India.

I'll tell you what Fugly,

If you can beat me(an old bloke who hasn't picked up a stick in anger for two or three years) in a race to 12 giving me 6 start for £20 I'll take a piece of your action.

I'm resident in Nottingham so easy enough for me to pay you a visit.

Okay cool. PM me and we can sort out when you want to play. Theres a couple of decent tables in Leicester we can play our game on.

Just to stress to people too, the people I'll be playing are those of supposed similar ability. But I have spectated more games than I care to remember, or have sources who know these guys, whereas I'm an unknown quantity.

Can you film yourself running out a few racks?

I can certainly try. But if you are expecting me to do what the top amateurs do and run 4-5 racks in a row then I can't give you that. The most I've ever run in a row is a 3pack. What I will do is get my mrs to film and then send it to you somehow or put it on youtube.

Here is one video of me running 1-15 in a line up drill. #Invalid YouTube Link#

This was 8 months ago, but is only thing I have. I changed my cue since then from a crap £30 Rileys cue to a custom cue with Predator 314/2 shaft, so I can play more shots and play with more precision and feel.

The video was taken at the Winchester Snooker Club in Wigston, Leicestershire.

Edit would help if I actually posted the video!

Vegaslover, it was only when I played Daz that I was trembling. He is my favourite player so to play him was an unusual experience. As soon as I got a couple of racks early I was fine.

Let me please say I know beating Daz off +6 means nothing. Even beating him off +1 doesn't count because his aim is to just level the match. Can't think of winning until he has done so. But it's just to give people an idea that against the players who I look up to, I am not fazed and I can play fairly decently. In the money games I just have a massive rush of adrenaline in first few racks, then calm it down and get into stroke but no wobbly knees. Even a bout of sickness didn't stop me from playing well in a match.

I wasn't looking for stakes in tournaments, but the expense for the GB9 Tour is massive (partly why I'm not bothering as no value for money). Fees for the Challenge Tour are £595 for 4 events, plus £78 hotels, and rip off prices for food and travel. Pro Division I think is a lot higher around £750-£800 then same exe's on top.

If I'm playing a one off money match for say £250 and above - which a few challenges have been issued to me  -  then I'm spending probably £30 on fuel and drinks to the driver, and money for a hotel or finding someone I know to stay with. The expenses aren't cheap but much better than an overnight tournament and the reward is instant and a lot higher.

Theres a bloke I've played approximately 15 times who has never beat me, and every time says 'one day I'll beat you, I got your number'. He wants to play me for £500 a man but wants a race to 100 which is stupid. But there are enough games like that going around in Leicester, and if Dubai has some rich and stupid mates then even better!

lol Karabiner I'm not sure of the exact terminology I just know Im the horse running for 1st place

Im off out to practise but I will be sending messages out later this evening. And no, I will not be putting everything on the line in one go lol. Anything can happen in pool, even against a complete moron.

I'll be in touch in a few hours time when I get back.

Baz

I'll just say if I've broken any kind of forum etiquette in asking then I do apologise. Not my intention to wind anybody up if I have done so.

No offence intended, whatever the answer to this question, I just want to remeber if you are the guy I think you are..

Are you the poster with autism?

That's right.