Love to see Thewy or Iwan Jones win it.

Just been through list to see how many under 31 year olds there are in there

Come on trigg - get this book up

so is the general concensus that the play was correct up until the river??  I see there are a few other options but generally most have said to flat flop, and flat turn.

Anyway I called the river and he flips  to which I looked twice and then threw up a little in my mouth

Was talking to him about the hand as the table was about to be broke and he happily admits he would ahve shoved on me if I raised the turn or river and that the only place I could have made him fold was by over raising the flop.

I always find it hard to believe a guy who tells me what he would have done when he's seen my hand.

Blatch, in your op you say you felt you played the hand very badly. General concensus is you played it well. Do you now think you actually played the hand well....or do you think Blonde is shit?

Hmmmmm how do I answer that??

Im coming round to the idea that I didnt play it as badly as I first thought.  I walked away from it thinking I played it like a calling station and didnt give my self a chance to either get better info or to even win the pot.  However having seen these replies and from some people that I personally feel are very good players (better than their indivudal results suggest) I dont feel too bad about it.

I know what aspects I did well in the hand and what aspects I could have done slightly better but overall its maybe not as bad as first thought

Always interesting to get other ideas and input though - live and learn.

Yeah I knew really that I wasnt winning on the river but the crying call came through .... yuk

so is the general concensus that the play was correct up until the river??  I see there are a few other options but generally most have said to flat flop, and flat turn.

Anyway I called the river and he flips  to which I looked twice and then threw up a little in my mouth

Was talking to him about the hand as the table was about to be broke and he happily admits he would ahve shoved on me if I raised the turn or river and that the only place I could have made him fold was by over raising the flop.

[At least this way if it goes wrong you're still on around 18bbs with some scope to come back. Shove the lot in and you're only getting called by a big flush, raise it to 12k and surely you're only getting rrai by the nut flush. Even the J flush can only call. I also think that given his stack a 10 or J flush can call an all in just as easily as it can call 12k but neither can shove. Seems to get the same outcome with a possible recovery if it goes wrong.]

Going by original thoughts this should now be a pass.

4k seems a bit low in to this pot now though so I'm wondering what he's up to.

If you're calling 3.5k on the turn and he now has a monster surely he's betting more. He could have at least 12k out of you if he thought you were drawing which he'd be justified in thinking.

He may have been on a draw but I don't necessarily think it was a very good one any more.

I can't see any merit in calling here but a nice raise wouldn't be the worst move ever.  I don't think the shove is the way forward though. We're looking to get him to pass and I think a raise to 12k gets nothing more than a call unless he's got the stone cold nuts. Depends on the player I suppose but only you know that. Is he capable of bluff 3 betting you here with air or a weak flush when you've made a raise that looks like it wants a call?

At least this way if it goes wrong you're still on around 18bbs with some scope to come back. Shove the lot in and you're only getting called by a big flush, raise it to 12k and surely you're only getting rrai by the nut flush. Even the J flush can only call. I also think that given his stack a 10 or J flush can call an all in just as easily as it can call 12k but neither can shove. Seems to get the same outcome with a possible recovery if it goes wrong.

This was pretty much what went through my mind.  I was going to raise to make it look like the value raise on the river however before I did I went back to the beggining of the hand.  If the  didnt come on the river then I could easily represent the nut flush; sadly this is now out the question.  Next best would be the  flush but Had I had this I would expect a player similar to myself to raise on the flop to try to create a big pot.  The other flushes that are left I doubt would raise too many times on the river after he has fired the 3rd bullet. 

I therefore came to the conclusion raising isnt the best option if my opponent is any good and I shoudl either flat here or fold.

I probably call pre, call flop, call turn and shove river

Do you not think the 3.5k turn bet stinks of some sort of draw?

I would be more inclined to shove the river if a low heart comes out as he may well be putting me on the nut flush draw all the way.  Once the  comes down I think its a bad representable card for me.

Thanks for the input guys.

I was unsure of what he was betting until he bet the 3.5k on the turn.  I saw this a very weak bet and I personally had him on a draw with maybe the gut shot straight too.

I flatted the turn praying for a bnlank on river or even a pair up.  River came  and villain bets 4k pretty quickly into the pot.

Your play?

Tough spot. His bet looks like he has some sort of drawtastic hand or is massive and looking to induce a raise.

I flat the turn and see what he does on a non-heart river.

Question is Neil, what would ViVi do?

This is the thing bud, im not on Vivi's level of thinking and he would have fired all in pre

Hey all,

Recently played the £300 3.5k DC comp on the GUKPT and had a big hand which I personally think I played really bad and need some help with it please.

I have recently been moved tables and been at current table for 6 hands.  I had around 26k, villain direct on my right has 34k and average chips is 13.8k with blinds at 200/400/25.

Villain raises from MP to 1100 and I look down at      and flat call as I dont want to open myself up to re raise from only player who has me covered.  Button calls and BB makes up.

Flop =       

Villain leads for 2200 - whats your play?

I flatted here, wanting to control the pot size more than anything but pretty certain im good in this spot.  Other two in pot fold.

Turn comes  and villain leads for 3500 - whats your play??

Hoping to be there most of the week

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Barnie in trouble here possibly

good to share a table with you at DTD over the weekend Neil,you have a great table presence.  Did you feel sorry for the guy who called your preflop shove with 77 who started wailing when you hit your overcard with your 68   

Thanks :-) I had a good night but I really struggle up at DTD for some some reason, as for the guy I didnt feel bad at all lol.  He called twice with marginal hands and I sucked out twice before having a monster cracked.

I would have felt bad if it wasnt for the 18472949817648 "f" words that cvame out of his mouth and the constant abuse of punching himself full whack rotflmao

Really tough hand with the most awkward effective stack size to contend with.

I think I would probably pass too. The hand he has is as good as even against yours, and the only conceivable hand that is in bad shape against you is ace-queen.

I don't think he will be passing here to the all-in. I think it's most likely he has convinced himself in theory that he would, but I can't see how it can make any sense in practice to decide to play Jh8h to a pre-flop raise and ever be passing it on this flop.

The thing that interests me is- what did you make of such a quick call? It could be that he is playing the pot as if it is heads up, but, if not, this is definitely sending a message to you. The most likely one seems to be that he is trying to represent confidence that he does not have. This would be the only thing to persuade me to go with the hand. Did you read anything into it at the time?

The only thing that really worried me was the way he called it.  There was no question of how much im playing or anything, he simply wasnt interested to which I took as a big sign of strength.  I actually put him on top 2 or flopped bottom set.  I didnt even think about the pair and flush draw as assumed he would shove on me with a heavy draw himself.