Wow I'm out.

Open cutoff to 5100 at 1200/2400, btn makes it 11200, I'm playing 98k so make it 23200 to snap a jam. He peels.

there's like 52k in there, I bet 18k he shoves I call off 57k more and lose to . Gutted obviously. Was about 400 off the money.

Interested in your exit hand and your thinking in it if it isn't too raw.  Specfically, what range do you assign to him when he shoves?  What was the tabe dynamic like and your image and what was your perception of villain?  At what point do ICM considerations come into play and we start to put a premium on our tournament life?

Yeah, the 57k call mystifies me...

77 years since a british man won wimbledon last brit to win was in '77, 7/7 is date of ladies final in 2018 could that be robsons or watsons year

I admire your optimism!  If her team could 'do a Murray' on her regarding physical conditioning and less mental fragility then. yes, Robson has a squeak.  However, she is a long long way from the finished article right now.  I think that it takes a special kind of person to be able to devote themselves to the pursuit of becoming the number one in tennis and a big time winner.  Many aspire but few succeed...

I'm sure there was a quote from Williams somewhere saying she would struggle to take a single game off any man in the top 500

I believe she did indeed say that.

[However, think I'd fancy Williams against several of the mugs who are ranked about 30 to 50 on the mens side.]

"Put Williams in vs any man in the top 50.  Give her the whole court to play on and the man just one serve and she'd still not beat anyone"

I agree with you that Men should get greater prize money, simply because it is the more in demand product.  95% of people  would rather get tickets in the ballot for mens semi final day than womens' semi final day and I think their pay should reflect that difference in demand.

However, think I'd fancy Williams against several of the mugs who are ranked about 30 to 50 on the mens side.

I suppose that there are one or two in that bracket so, yes maybe.

The current mens' game is breathtaking in the extreme; some of the points on Sunday were sublime.  Court coverage was astonishing.  Retrieving balls that were winners against most other players AND making winning passes from those (almost) impossible gets.  It was exciting in the extreme whereas the women.  Well, they aren't...

[Lisicki didn't look too fat to me]

How is this on a level footing with the men?  Two fat puddings trying to keep it in court and failing miserably.  Just rubbish.

Ridiculous.

I knew you'd disagree.  The men are athletes; look at Murray, Djokovic, Nadal etc.  Not an ounce of fat on them and superb conditioning.  They can run for 4 hours or more and still produce top class tennis.  Now look at the women.  Piss poor in comparison.  Not one of them carries an athletic condition even remotely approaching the men.  85% of them are chubby or worse.  Sharapova probably the only one approaching the right fitness conditioning...

And then there is the screaming every time they hit the ball.  And the serve that chokes and goes into double fault meltdown.

And all that equates to equality does it?  I don't fucking think so.  Put Williams in vs any man in the top 50.  Give her the whole court to play on and the man just one serve and she'd still not beat anyone.  It's YOU that's ridiculous.

You knew that I in particular would disagree? That's pretty impressive.

I was disagreeing with the fat comment, Lisicki didn't look too fat to me whilst I agree that perhaps Bartoli doesn't have the best of physiques. And you just showed how ridiculous you are being by claiming that 85% of female players are chubby or worse?

Monday your drinking night?

As it happens, I think I agree that the men deserve more, not sure why though.

Agreed.  She just couldn't hit a ball in to save her life.  The mens' game is so superior that they simply should get paid more; added to which 5 sets vs 3 is 66% more work.

I don't drink.  Ever.

How is this on a level footing with the men?  Two fat puddings trying to keep it in court and failing miserably.  Just rubbish.

Ridiculous.

I knew you'd disagree.  The men are athletes; look at Murray, Djokovic, Nadal etc.  Not an ounce of fat on them and superb conditioning.  They can run for 4 hours or more and still produce top class tennis.  Now look at the women.  Piss poor in comparison.  Not one of them carries an athletic condition even remotely approaching the men.  85% of them are chubby or worse.  Sharapova probably the only one approaching the right fitness conditioning...

And then there is the screaming every time they hit the ball.  And the serve that chokes and goes into double fault meltdown.

And all that equates to equality does it?  I don't fucking think so.  Put Williams in vs any man in the top 50.  Give her the whole court to play on and the man just one serve and she'd still not beat anyone.  It's YOU that's ridiculous.

How is this on a level footing with the men?  Two fat puddings trying to keep it in court and failing miserably.  Just rubbish.

[Barney]

Not really 3 betting him for fun then.

Where's this loudest rail ever?!?!

Due to arrive later, I gather.

There are some sore heads after the Barney party last night.

Whilst this is acceptable in the Rubble household, I believe not so in the Boatman mansion...

Three score and ten; that's all the formbook says.

Ah, OK, so chip cound favours bigger stacks as it is based SOLELY on the one instance of the tourney in question whereas, with ICM, it doesn't favour the big stacks so much as it is based on MANY instances of the tourney from that dealing point which would mean, of course, that the little stacks would make comebacks/ ladder a percentage of the time if it is run an infinite number of times...

Thanks, makes sense now.

Until recently, I had never heard the term "ICM deal".  I was watching the final table of the Stars SCOOP main event when it came up in negotiations, and it seemed to cause a lot of disagreement.  Then, again, today I saw the same thing in the Wembley updates.  So;

a) What essentially are the differences and,
b) Which is the fairest method?

Cheers.

http://calvinayre.com/2013/04/27/poker/lock-poker-cancels-player-withdrawals-insists-all-is-well/

Sheik Mo does not look like the sort of man you want to get on the wrong side of...

Money and selections sent... twice!  (Forgot to select nap and nb first time)

I take it that in the event of a non runner, you're automatically on the fav?

Didn't have anything in place last time so bit redsimon in the ass but have added the following to the opening post:

Additional Rules:

If your trap selection is a non-runner, you will be assigned the favourite. If there are joint favourites you will be given the lowest trap number of the favourites.
In the event of a tie at the end of 8 races we will use a countback system where the person with the most winners will win. If that doesn't split the tie then we will move to 2nd places and so on.

Yeah, that'll do it.