[No idea, but I do know that players never messed with him, they did not dare]

Just watched a wonderful but short tribute to Bill Shankly, on Sky Sports.

Can barely believe he retired almost 40 years ago. What an inspiration he was to so many of us.

Great manager and great man.  Wonder what he'd have made of Sky and the Premier League, and players valued at €100M?

No idea, but I do know that players never messed with him, they did not dare.

I loved him to bits, hung on his every word.

I don't know anything about shankly (really), but the above statement does not show the mark of anyones class. Not in the slightest

It does to me, but you must think as you wish. Managers must manage, not subordinates.

Management by fear is the management of a coward

[No idea, but I do know that players never messed with him, they did not dare]

Just watched a wonderful but short tribute to Bill Shankly, on Sky Sports.

Can barely believe he retired almost 40 years ago. What an inspiration he was to so many of us.

Great manager and great man.  Wonder what he'd have made of Sky and the Premier League, and players valued at €100M?

No idea, but I do know that players never messed with him, they did not dare.

I loved him to bits, hung on his every word.

I don't know anything about shankly (really), but the above statement does not show the mark of anyones class. Not in the slightest

Man U look huge everywhere? Any thoughts on why?

Think Im going to hope for an early Liverpool goal and then wade in on UTD in running. Probably Ice-creamesque but made good chunks last year doing the same

Saw Tito Salamanca in ace Ventura pet detective last week!

lol, I really need to shut up.

The Prime Minister, of whichever party, cannot tweet his government or personal view the same as anyone else (you/me/miliband/gary lineker etc)?

Course he can. Obama made a major decision, he tweeted he was pleased with the decision. Why is this jumped up or egomaniac?

well I guess we will just have to disagree on the matter. If he wants to tweet about football, go ahead, however I disagree he should continue voice personal opinions on policy  as a leader

Not really, this is a Syria thread. Just didn't think moaning about his arrogance/need to be popular was adding a great deal to the subject, really.

well it was reference to his personal opinion which he chose to tweet. Which he should be able to keep to himself. But he is so arrogant he cant. Parliament has spoken, they don't agree with him. Now pipe down you jumped up, ego maniac

you aren't making sense Guy. Going to parliament and losing a vote in the midst of proposing a course of action that c20% of the public support in all polling was done to be popular?

He might be very wrong, but it wasn't exactly the easiest route to take was it?

He didn't really have the option not to go to parliament. Although he didn't "have" to, he would never have survived not having done so.

Just for clarity I will say it again, I AM NOT JUSTTALKING ABOUT SYRIA. If you want me to start a Cameron thread and post pretty much every interview he does and point out his arrogance I gladly will

did you read the article, in the Spectator?

Or is your view just set? Very complex situation and not sure its as black and white as you make out

im not just referring to the Syria situation obviously, but rest assured he would have done the thing which would have made him most popular, have no doubts about that

[Cameron said]

Not sure there is any need for that language

In fact this article debunks any such notions

Cameron said
"While there was a vote on the decision to go to war in Iraq – albeit very late in the process – there was no vote on the action in Kosovo. If elected, I am determined to lead this country as a democratically accountable Prime Minister, and to abandon the personal, Presidential style that has taken hold under New Labour… Giving Parliament a greater role in the exercise of these powers would be an important and tangible way of making government more accountable."

very good article, concerning Obama's decision today

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/08/barack-obamas-decision-to-recall-congress-pays-david-cameron-the-highest-compliment/

see the bold bit

see the NHS

realise you are being lied to

As a leader he isn't there to give personal support to the USA once he has been defeated in the commons, he is there to represent the people

PDC World Champs

Im really liking Lewis this year, is 12.5 on BF enough to start loading the gun?

MVG and Taylor both 3.5 ish. I guess the only down side is that he probably has to beat them both?

I have never know a more an ego maniac leader than Cameron! Such an "entitled" prick it hurts! He talks about the house of commons like its a few people backing up his decisions. We are about as democratic as Syria under that prick!

(obv given he lost this vote its a terrible thread to make this point - I get that)

She's cashed!

11 left with 8k ftw! Such a boss!

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[this was not possible]

I think an upper floor/mezz was in the plans when DTD was being designed.

But due to the land type and foundations this was not possible.

Regards

M

call

(with possible and cost effective being very different things ldo)

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I assume Victoria wont be doing this