The advice to "chill" is noted.

The thread needed a little better balance, & I Posted accordingly. And achieved exactly the effect I desired.

Old geezers can 3 bet, too.

Yeah but 3bet folding in this spot is never going to be profitable.

My nerve failed.

Dare I jam?

Possibly with aces.

How do your online and live 3 betting ranges differ with regards to position?

Yeah our 8 is beating all the hands that fold out with a bet, though we could get 99 to fold now I guess? I dunno I just dont know how to see the flop size raise. I think bigger is better with this hand esp with the fish deep. Did you think about checking the turn? I think leading against 'good' players is imperative and against weaker players it can be a good strategy which you dont need to balance.

is there no justifictation for the call given stack sizes here?

both players are all in - he is getiing >2:1 - he has an A and a Q - and can call and lose and still have 45 BB's left?

not a snap fold for me. If you have been super active - 1st guy could be going with a very light holding and 2nd guy could have 99-JJ (i know its the bottom of his range and I am trying to make the call look favourable)

I dont think this is an easy fold given the set up - i think that I probably fold after consideraton - but i wouldnt hate the call given the above

Against

22+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,A2o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo
and
JJ+/AQs+/AQo+

we have ~22.4%

Against

22+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,A2o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo
and
88+/ATs+/AJo+

we have 30.6%



If you're running good cawl and bink. I fold some of the time dependant on the players considering our stack size and just keep the ammo to keep opening. I think it all depends on the overshove range really.

Stack sizes of the whole table are so so important. Is this guy a fish or a good player any reads?

I read the hand and thought what gkstein thought and read your reply so assumed I had misread stack sizes pre and that you were deep with the reg not the fish.

Surely with our equity we want to make the pot big on the flop, pot would be about 170 and we make it 81?

If we make it ~125 and reg calls then fish will fold considering he folded for 40 more 3 way. Then we just jam turn ~360 into 310.

If the fish calls your smaller raise and we are then stacking off if we make our hand surely do we not want to make it more considering we have tp+fd rather than just a draw.

Did you think about leading the flop into the pfr after the fish checked, that would allow you to b3b against the reg for 100bb

OR

lead and have the pfr fold and the fish hu oop w/v good equity deep. even if he folds if he's playing so spewy giving him any option in that situation is good.

OR

lead and the pfr calls and the fish overcalls, that could get interesting.

OR

lead and have pfr raise, fish cold call and we can 3ball squeeze and get the most money in now when our equity is best. It seems more like from what you were saying that you would rather bluff the loose/spewy fish off it later? This surely isn't the hand to be looking to that with?

edit

oh and in answer to the post lol

At first I was like no no I dont like it might even check turn. Villains hand looks alot like 99/AJcc/T9 kinda things.
I think it depends what villain is going to think of your flop c/r size given dynamics/stack sizes. Would you raise this size with a set? If not then I think you prob get snapped off but if he can put stronger hands in your range then 3 balling cant be bad on that river given that he hasn't raised us yet and it's HU w/ fish out of the pot and the board is draw heavy.

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Might still want another $700 on FTP if anyone sees this, would need that in 3 or 4 ish hours at latest. (its 6:30 now).

Ugh this is so sick.

Hi guys I think my post count is sub 10 possibly?

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Right i've managed to sort this transaction thankfully so only missed one tournament.

I hope I wasn't too out of line with this through mentioning peoples names without checking but we'll see if I get grief.


Thanks for reading.

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I don't mind the flat pre.

I would be the flop, if i checked the flop i would prob call the turn and if i did i would fold the river.

So you would just flat to hit the 10? Are we deep enough for this/getting right odds with one card to come?

Villain raises pre then checks the flop, i think he has a hand like q10( which gets there ) set ( which is obv ahead ) or a fd (which obv misses), does he shove q10 (the nuts) no, does he shove a set for value (theoretical nuts) no, does he shove a missed fd? yeah.

No I would flat to hit a T/Q/K possibly show it down possibly bet to take it away if checked to. It's not like just because we hit our TP we have to now stack off when he's willing to suddenly get so much money in.

Why dont you think he wouldn't shove the nuts or a set but he would a fd that he didn't bet on the flop?!?

If he shoves a fd he shoves relative nuts, and I think he bets a fd on the flop OOP a large proportion of the time.

If we have the best hand and he's making a big bluff then we'll get his chips in soon hopefully. If the read was that he was just clicking buttons and borederline retarded-aggressive then maybe it's a snap.

yup that was another one my friend told me about.


It's just a v stupid rule.

I hadn't played on Sky for ~ 6 months and they sent me a letter saying I had ~£400 in my account so I was like oh yeah sweet.... and then started playing again.... rather than just withdrawing the second I finish and session and hamper my ability to play in the future.... 

I'm more than liking flatting here because we are so deep but considering your pre flop read i'd want to bump it up in position.

As played even with my lack of a fold button I still do a disgusted snap fold. I'd rather choose when 6x pot goes in I think.

Does villain not get dealt 66-JJ ever?

who cares what the villain has as its unknown and shudnt matter with the strength of our own hand and the relaitionship with our stack to blinds. we only interested in icm factors here ever and its unexploitable to shove kq here as the blinds cant find enough hands here to spite us even if they wanted to. we gain  dollar ev and c ev by goin arrrrr in.  we lose equity by doin anything gay such as raise folding or limping or anything other retarded play u can think off.

What I said was implying that it can never be a fold sorry it wasn't fuller but everything has already been pretty much said considering our chip stack/position/hand strength.