99 seems a likely hand here? We have to beat here now I think as a load of her range contains one of your cards. .

It's a really dry flop against  utg raises if you do flop a set here too. So checking a set is not way out of line.

I kinda like the guy who commentates, Tuck?

Some absolutely great guests and insight too.

This guy now though saying "I have played with him loads" and "he is really aggressive" seems unfair on our Brit here. Anyone agree? I was gonna tweet him but didn't want to look like an arse.

Is it norm for people to broadcast someone's perceived image like that?

Is it bedtime? Yes.

Liam OUT in 5th, for, I think, $54,000.

Think he Live Stream is on delay, so won't reveal the hands yet, but it was a real brutal exit, an absolute corker.

horrid run out

Grim lap of table fist pump from opponent too.

Gogglebox this evening is good.

"What a bleedin waste of a pie" is a pretty good line.

Great read Tighty, and come on the Bristol regs!

Don't think the banning of FOBTs would cause more than the merest of ripples on the market either.

On budget day Hills dropped 6% on a 5% tax hike so imagine the drop if they were gone?

This is massive politically.

It is totally academic though because they will never shut them down completely and as for the idea that the shops need to take 30k a week without FOBT's that is assuming that non of the other providers make changes.  It is very likely that Turf TV, SIS, the Gaming Commission, the revenue etc would all lower prices rather than see 2/3rds of shops shut as you suggest because they would lose too much revenue.  Those costs have gone up because shops can afford them with the extra revenues from FOBT's.

I see. So the racecourses will not want their £6k a race from the betting shops anymore?  This is not how market forces work.

That is exactly how market forces work.  Do you really think that mssrs Glynn, Topping, Done and Hornby won't immediately look to renegotiate the levy if FOBT's are banned?  They will also be on the phone to SIS, Turf TV etc telling them that they will be shutting half their shops if they don't reduce their fees etc.  That is the whole basis of their campaign at the moment and if something is done about FOBT's then they will immediately look to renegotiate those contracts.  The whole point of closing shops etc is to reduce overheads but you don't only look at staffing and rents when assessing where you can make savings so it is inevitable that the other industries relying on betting will have to take a hit too and they will be expecting that.

Well I disagree with all of that, however I respect your right to your opinion and agree that it ain't gonna matter anyway as the status quo will remain.

they will make way more revenue long term with VAT/employers/ee's NI/income tax/corporation tax from the spend elsewhere and have far less social problems to invest in.  Racing should also be much better off as much of the same spend will be spent on racing and the levy rather than just straight into the tills of these 'bookmakers' who won't lay a bet unless they have gtd 3% edge.

That doesn't work out as the biggest losers on fobts are not that interested in horses. I agree that it's great in the long term but still cannot see any govt. having the balls to try.

Don't think the banning of FOBTs would cause more than the merest of ripples on the market either.

On budget day Hills dropped 6% on a 5% tax hike so imagine the drop if they were gone?

This is massive politically.

It is totally academic though because they will never shut them down completely and as for the idea that the shops need to take 30k a week without FOBT's that is assuming that non of the other providers make changes.  It is very likely that Turf TV, SIS, the Gaming Commission, the revenue etc would all lower prices rather than see 2/3rds of shops shut as you suggest because they would lose too much revenue.  Those costs have gone up because shops can afford them with the extra revenues from FOBT's.

I see. So the racecourses will not want their £6k a race from the betting shops anymore?  This is not how market forces work.

why is it massively politically? The report stated the economy would be better off if the fobt's were banned.  More jobs would be created overall than would be lost and far less social problems caused.  It sounds like a perfect vote winner to me for 99% of the population who don't gamble.  What am i missing?  

Because no government will ever look at the long term that way and turn down the revenue.

Don't think the banning of FOBTs would cause more than the merest of ripples on the market either.

On budget day Hills dropped 6% on a 5% tax hike so imagine the drop if they were gone?

This is massive politically.

I have seen punters collect a ticket for £800 from a £20 stake and then shove the lot back in and the other score they had in their pocket at the outset. How much did he need to win to make him happy for £40?

The same people will get stuck 2k in live 1/1 ROE games then win it all back and carry on playing? Everyone else is sat with 200 or maybe a couple of nits with a monkey but even though that is -EV he will blow it all back. Do the gambling courses actually try to educate people about this? Like saying you are sat with 20 buy ins that you have bought lets get the fuck out of here?

I have worked in betting all my life apart from the last 4 months and I miss it loads. The Masters was painful to watch as it was always a big betting event and seemed not so much fun. I would say that 30,000 on the dole queue and 6,000 empty shops overnight would not be any politicians plan except Don Foster. It's his last term and he is gunning for these machines. Oh, and the treasury will get 800 million as well with the status quo.

Easily two thirds of shops will close and cripple a big lump of the stock market. It's fascinating. Big Campbell u turn coming soon or brushed under the carpet.

There is literally no chance that 2/3rds of shops would close.  They haven't tripled since the introduction of fobts and whilst a few things have changed the firms aren't going to just start shutting profitable shops even if they are only marginally profitable.  The firms are scaremongering to protect profits and it isn't as though there is any chance that they will be banned.  They may be regulated tighter but that is probably all.

You say "a few things have changed"?

I just closed a betting shop in December. There is no scaremongering. You need to take over 30k a week over the counter without fobts to make a shop pay. I would say not even 25% of shops take that.

This is a pretty cool snapshot of the UK in this age.

It's been non stop all day. They are wheeling any old tosser who wants to talk about it ffs.

Enough.

I have seen punters collect a ticket for £800 from a £20 stake and then shove the lot back in and the other score they had in their pocket at the outset. How much did he need to win to make him happy for £40?

The same people will get stuck 2k in live 1/1 ROE games then win it all back and carry on playing? Everyone else is sat with 200 or maybe a couple of nits with a monkey but even though that is -EV he will blow it all back. Do the gambling courses actually try to educate people about this? Like saying you are sat with 20 buy ins that you have bought lets get the fuck out of here?

I have worked in betting all my life apart from the last 4 months and I miss it loads. The Masters was painful to watch as it was always a big betting event and seemed not so much fun. I would say that 30,000 on the dole queue and 6,000 empty shops overnight would not be any politicians plan except Don Foster. It's his last term and he is gunning for these machines. Oh, and the treasury will get 800 million as well with the status quo.

Easily two thirds of shops will close and cripple a big lump of the stock market. It's fascinating. Big Campbell u turn coming soon or brushed under the carpet.

Which one's Suarez?

Nice.

Some people just don't get it.

My brother probably wastes on average 50 quid a week on them, however I know sometimes he's done a few hundred in a day. You would think that with me being essentially a professional gambler, he would listen to my advice.  He doesn't and comes with the same rigged, I have a system etc nonsense.  Just given up trying. My cousin is the exactly the same too.  

My brother is single and has no real responsibilities, and at 23 there is a chance it's just being young and foolish so I hope he grows out of it.

My cousins addiction makes me far angrier as he has a GF, mortgage and a 4 year old and the money he wastes directly affects their future. I just can't understand it.
Nor me. I honestly think we take this -EV concept for granted whereas many people do not. I told him every time he spins a tenner he is actually chucking 30 pence in the bin and he thought I was taking the piss.

Alcohol is perfect in this thread as it enables people who DO understand -EV situations enjoy their work or pastime even more by ignoring common sense and doing it anyway. Only the best of these know to have a stop loss when on the piss is essential.

In fact booze and gambling are the perfect match when you learn that you are gonna lose overall when pissed up and adjust stakes accordingly.