Thought this was pretty cool....


Seat 1: lildavefish ( $203.70 USD )
Seat 2: w34ubn ( $807.80 USD )
w34ubn posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
lildavefish posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lildavefish [  As ]
w34ubn raises [$2.50 USD]
lildavefish raises [$8.00 USD]
w34ubn raises [$24.00 USD]
lildavefish calls [$18.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
lildavefish bets [$44.00 USD]
w34ubn raises [$88.00 USD]
lildavefish raises [$132.70 USD]
w34ubn calls [$88.70 USD]
lildavefish shows [, ]
w34ubn shows [, ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
** Dealing River ** [ ]
lildavefish wins $406.90 USD from main pot

This, Not so much


Seat 1: lildavefish ( $862.50 USD )
Seat 2: w34ubn ( $323.60 USD )
w34ubn posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
lildavefish posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lildavefish [  Ah ]
w34ubn raises [$2.50 USD]
lildavefish raises [$8.00 USD]
w34ubn raises [$24.00 USD]
lildavefish raises [$72.00 USD]
w34ubn calls [$54.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
lildavefish checks
w34ubn bets [$162.00 USD]
lildavefish raises [$324.00 USD]
w34ubn calls [$80.60 USD]
lildavefish shows [, Ah ]
w34ubn shows [, ]
lildavefish wins $81.40 USD
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
** Dealing River ** [ ]
w34ubn wins $646.70 USD from main pot

This was an absolutley MENTAL MATCH

blue>>>green>>>red>>>black

and im defo right

**** Hand History For Game 9492389494 *****

0.50/1 Omaha Hi Game Table (PL)  -  Mon Aug 2 16:15:30 EDT 2010
Table  137424  (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6/6
Seat 1: Stafven ($135.78)
Seat 2: slopert888 ($107.49)
Seat 3: STUP1D_F1SH ($126.92)
Seat 4: ACTION_MAKO_ ($115.14)
Seat 5: LetsgoAllOut ($35.43)
Seat 6: Dr__Q ($57.21)
Dr__Q posts small blind (0.5)
Stafven posts big blind (1.0)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to STUP1D_F1SH [ , , , ]
slopert888 folds
STUP1D_F1SH raises 3.0 to 3.0
ACTION_MAKO_ calls (3.0)
LetsgoAllOut folds
Dr__Q folds
Stafven calls (2.0)
** Dealing Flop ** :  [ , Ah, ]
Stafven checks
STUP1D_F1SH bets (5.0)
ACTION_MAKO_ calls (5.0)
Stafven raises 27.0 to 27.0
STUP1D_F1SH

This is not a sigh get it in its a finger in the air re-pot.

From his range perspective, he peels out of the BB which takes a LOT of AAxx combo's out, obv really terrible one's he might just peel, but as you open UTG+1 and have a peeler behind, he will be expecting you to pot back a decent amount of the time and get most of his stack in pre. So hands like 88xx AKT8 w/hearts and stuff like this. I mean he almost defo has a hand he wants to commit his whole stack with. POT BACK here

Disagree with the theory here.

Never not getting it in now obv but this deep and OOP players will often not repot OOP with aces.

I doubt he'll be expecting a re-pot back because players at 50/1 rarely 4-ball it with anything but the goooods

Fair enough, I havent logged a ton a 100plo 6max in a while. Thinking about it i pose if he pots and gets called twice he has a 1.5 SPR which is going to be pretty arkward multiway OOP with bad aces, so peeling here is fairly reasonable in these games?

Yeah, I guess my thinking is slightly off then hand #1 but id still fistpump it in cos theres 2 hearts there

[I enjoyed it, so what?]

Best of 5 HUSnGs is pretty much pointless. I was going to say it was totally pointless and I would price this up as 1.95 1.95 but I spent the last 20mins doing some maths just in case (yes I enjoyed it, so what?). If one player has a 55% chance of winning any given match (quite high I would say), they have a 59.3% chance of winning the best of 5. For 51%, they have 51.9% chance overall. So there's no way I'd offer odds on either player basically because I don't think even 55% is that achievable. Why can't you play cash again Mantis?

Good work. Although you have rendered you're own fine work slightly pointless, but a thorough conclusion is always useful regardless!

Yeah imo the best way to truly define skill over a small sample would be to play min200bb deep cash HU. Maybe NLHE/PLO mix although MANTIS might not know PLO as well as COS in which case its unfair to include that. As you said. 2 Dealers, 6 Hours = approx 150-200 hands and we can all (anti)rail.

Now If mantis isnt comfortable here, and is more experienced with MTTs maybe put a 60bb CAP on it.

Thoughts?

[Why is everyone trying to fold pre flop? It was only a single raised pot in a really deep game.]

Why is everyone trying to fold pre flop? It was only a single raised pot in a really deep game.

WP up to river, you are getting mega odds and I don't think the random river lead is a genuine hand anywhere near as much as people seem to think. I wouldn't count on AK/AQ ever getting folded on the river if it got checked to you though and would just give up on the river vs this player description.

THIS. you had  right?
My holdem game isnt 100% at its shaprest, but surely that is still a fkin awesome starting hand when you have a billion bbs??? Also they are blues, and its well known you make flushes far more frequently with blues, Im might consider folding  from time because of how hard it is to make flushes with black cards. even still you can still make a striaght.

[let]

If villain has AK here i will let a gaggle of silverback apes rape me

doesn't sound like rape to me

Hero(s)

[If we're going to credit the horses with organisational skills then I think it's only fair to assign a bit of fighting knowledge to the duck as well]

Thing everyone is failing to realise is the organisation. If the duck sized Horses are organised then you;d be in real trouble, you get kicked so agressivley below the knee you'd fall over and then you'd be well and truly in the shit because there's little to no way to defend yourself from 360degree ground attacks, even if there is only 20-25 left alive (pr 15 fully fit and 7,8 injured ones)

At least with the one large duck you can identify its weakness (speed, and reach) and counter them, you wont be getting any suprise attacks or anything, target its legs and just avoid the wild flapping and pecking at all costs

Much closer than stated imo

If we're going to credit the horses with organisational skills then I think it's only fair to assign a bit of fighting knowledge to the duck as well.

A Horse sized duck with some tactical fighting skillz would kick ass. You wouldn't see any wild flapping because it'd know it's own weaknesses and your's and use it's size to it's advantage.

It'd conserve it's energy until you were close enough and then wildly flap the living shit out of you.

Very good point, I had in my obsession with the tiny horses being organised forgotten/disregarded the the intelectual property of the large duck, which perhaps given its size would be more inteligant than an individual tiny horse....well made

I'm just messin with you Mantis. If there's a book for this I'll be backing you to win. +1's from costas on your posts would be sweet

Shotgun laying mantis

sounds gay

lol can't believe I didn't twig that before I posted it

nh sir

In all seriousness lets please have some odds and assign a bookie - thing is i know zero about MANTIS, mantis would you feel comfortable in sharing online names/real name so I can accurately asses form and price? do you play exclusively MTTs or any cash at all???
tyx

Pete I'd rather lildave agreed with me then you (no offence but your a live donko)

Love u tho xxx

I cant accept this praise george.

**** Hand History For Game 9492389494 *****

0.50/1 Omaha Hi Game Table (PL)  -  Mon Aug 2 16:15:30 EDT 2010
Table  137424  (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6/6
Seat 1: Stafven ($135.78)
Seat 2: slopert888 ($107.49)
Seat 3: STUP1D_F1SH ($126.92)
Seat 4: ACTION_MAKO_ ($115.14)
Seat 5: LetsgoAllOut ($35.43)
Seat 6: Dr__Q ($57.21)
Dr__Q posts small blind (0.5)
Stafven posts big blind (1.0)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to STUP1D_F1SH [ , , , ]
slopert888 folds
STUP1D_F1SH raises 3.0 to 3.0
ACTION_MAKO_ calls (3.0)
LetsgoAllOut folds
Dr__Q folds
Stafven calls (2.0)
** Dealing Flop ** :  [ , Ah, ]
Stafven checks
STUP1D_F1SH bets (5.0)
ACTION_MAKO_ calls (5.0)
Stafven raises 27.0 to 27.0
STUP1D_F1SH

This is not a sigh get it in its a finger in the air re-pot.

From his range perspective, he peels out of the BB which takes a LOT of AAxx combo's out, obv really terrible one's he might just peel, but as you open UTG+1 and have a peeler behind, he will be expecting you to pot back a decent amount of the time and get most of his stack in pre. So hands like 88xx AKT8 w/hearts and stuff like this. I mean he almost defo has a hand he wants to commit his whole stack with. POT BACK here

***** Hand History For Game 9492550677 *****
0.50/1 Omaha Hi Game Table (PL)  -  Mon Aug 2 16:56:57 EDT 2010
Table  166979  (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 5/6
Seat 1: youlovedon ($29.05)
Seat 2: STUP1D_F1SH ($106.43)
Seat 3: ogy243111 ($280.35)
Seat 5: LetsgoAllOut ($18.5)
Seat 6: ArrAddar ($216.52)
ArrAddar posts small blind (0.5)
youlovedon posts big blind (1.0)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to STUP1D_F1SH [ , , ,  ]
STUP1D_F1SH raises 3.0 to 3.0
ogy243111 folds
LetsgoAllOut folds
ArrAddar calls (2.5)
youlovedon folds
** Dealing Flop ** :  [ , ,  ]
ArrAddar checks
STUP1D_F1SH bets (6.65)
ArrAddar raises 19.95 to 19.95
STUP1D_F1SH

Readless here I will just be getting in in. you block top two sets, have equity vs bottom set and 2 reasonable and proabably exclusive BD draws, plus two overcards if your facing the same hand or a 9xxx hand with loads of over cards. calling isnt great because there are some bad turn cards and you cost yourself loads by making bad turn folds.

Im gonna say in general the play in these stakes games are very nitty(modern word i prefer solid) an alot of posters on here about plo seem to more in this mindset which im not saying is wrong but if you r playing like 2 5 upwards  the play on hand 1 would always be trying to check rasie the flop as standard play an most regs would def be seeing the flop 3 handed

+1, not so much at 1/2 online these days, bbut 2/4 6max vs a reg this would be a c/r call for sure imo. however getting 100bbs in @ 100plo with these kinda hands nowadays is literally burning money (I would probs have c/r in this spot though cos i wouldnt have been able to resist lol) so for these reasons I would fold preflop as its just too hard to play for any profitability.
HAVING SAID THIS. the best thing about these stakes, is that a c/r here will fold out a ton of hands that really should get it in vs you from an equity perspective, so that gives a lot of credit to a c/r. but it basically leaves you in the situation where people's calling ranges crush you and the hands you have substantial equity vs fold, hence why i lean to a c/call c/call line in this instance.

[As has already been said one kick would kill each horse. 50 kicks won't be easy but it'll be possible]

Oh come on - how hard is a duck-sized horse going to be able to kick?

or a horse sized duck for that matter. how much damage is a huge flipper foot going to do?

Forget the kicking. What about when it just starts flapping it's wings crazily and randomly snapping it's beak and moving it's head about?

If any of those catch you it's game over.

The duck sized horses can only cause damage to just below the knee. Because of their size I think their bite would be fairly ineffective. This leaves only one weapon which is the rear kick.

So as they come towards you there's no real problem apart from the odd head butt. As long as you watch out for the ones reversing at you (which horses do badly) you're not going to get too badly hurt.

As has already been said one kick would kill each horse. 50 kicks won't be easy but it'll be possible.

How would we kill this horse sized duck though? You'd have to get close to it to cause any damage and that puts you in range of wild flapping. Unless it's Queensbury rules you wouldn't stand a chance.

This really isn't even close. 50 little horses 100% of the time.

Thing everyone is failing to realise is the organisation. If the duck sized Horses are organised then you;d be in real trouble, you get kicked so agressivley below the knee you'd fall over and then you'd be well and truly in the shit because there's little to no way to defend yourself from 360degree ground attacks, even if there is only 20-25 left alive (pr 15 fully fit and 7,8 injured ones)

At least with the one large duck you can identify its weakness (speed, and reach) and counter them, you wont be getting any suprise attacks or anything, target its legs and just avoid the wild flapping and pecking at all costs

Much closer than stated imo

hand #1

yeah fold pre in this, its a terrible hand. however now we're here I would DEFO check the flop ( we are 1st to act yes) expecting a C-bet. If he bets and the other player folds I would call, then check virtually every turn, if he bets turn again Im either calling or folding - folding on A/Q/K- would cinsider jamming on a 9 turn, but then It just seems far to spewy to get it in, calling everything else. C/F non heart rivers probs. my internet is being a bitch cant get onto PPT to see what you're equity is like against AAxx combo's with hearts, or KJxx combos with no draw. I think that is the key to wether or not you should c/c or c/r the flop. Obv he can have KKxx a ton and then ur kinda fked.

This is why you really shoulda folded pre!

hand #2 everything is fine now shove and get it in, readless some people tend to do this with sets when they just c/call a set on a dry board then a drawy turn card comes and they spazz pot. OR more likely they had a hand like A345/A234 and piked up nut clubs.

either way you should pot this back imo, becasue there are so many more combo's of Axxx (2pair hands that picked up gutshots and NFD's) than there are of potential sets (spesh given his postflop play + the fact you have AJ.

#3 is a fold for me. top+btm is so venreable even if it is the best hand (this spot is extremely similar to spot 2) in that his range has to wieght towards made hands that have improved with nut draws. difference here is tht ur hand strenght relative to thos draws is much weaker, if he has AJxx with one dnalger above a 4 and hearts he is actually a maths favorite, this makes continuing with the hand much less profitable when considered to the amount of times ur running into a set.

Just my Thoughts

1 horse sized duck, has 2 main advantages POWER, and SIZE.
we can easily combat the size advantage with speed and agility, assuming that we are in reasonable condition (which is doubtful in the poker world)
however the power issue could be a problem, because he could actually have the ability (as a horse does) to destroy you in one move (bite/kicking etc) plus I have in on good authortity ducks have a nasty streak to them

50 duck sized horses, as stated is a different propersition entirely, because firstly they are going to BE horses, as in hoofs, and poweful kicking abilities, this could be a serious problem if there are 50 of them, although 50 of them would be difficult to organise unless thes had a general or a leader able to effectively direct the fight,
They would have a massive disadvantage though because of how easily you could kill them, but I think you;d have to have extreme stamina to fight off 50.

I think, if you were prepared to grind out you'd take the 50 small ones, but you're fighting a small edge over this sample size, better IMO to take a shot and battle the big one

but everyone understands how painful this is to fold in a live situation yes?

drunken post ignore

but everyone understands how painful this is to fold in a live situation yes?