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16  Community Forums / Betting Tips and Sport Discussion / Re: Dilemna on: December 19, 2014, 07:28:42 PM
I did take it back (had actually done it when I posted).  I suppose my reason for posting was that I have recently been wondering a bit whether I look out for my own interests enough and am hardheaded enough especially in financial dealings and this seemed like a fairly good example but in all reality I couldn't keep the money.

Out of Interest. What was the reaction.

A mixture of surprise and gratitude.  By that point they had discovered the difference but had no idea what is was down to.
17  Community Forums / Betting Tips and Sport Discussion / Re: Dilemna on: December 19, 2014, 07:14:33 PM
I did take it back (had actually done it when I posted).  I suppose my reason for posting was that I have recently been wondering a bit whether I look out for my own interests enough and am hardheaded enough especially in financial dealings and this seemed like a fairly good example but in all reality I couldn't keep the money.
18  Community Forums / Betting Tips and Sport Discussion / Re: Dilemna on: December 19, 2014, 06:39:43 PM
Snap Give it back. AINEC!!!.

Come on you are potentially dealing with someone Job and its £100 ffs.

lol she might get sacked BECAUSE you give it back!

Disagree. Certainly more chance if its not handed in.


You don't work in a bookies, you haven't a clue what they do when they're £100 down (neither do I btw)



I did explain in OP that I used to work for Ladbrokes (albeit 20 years ago)  so I think I can make a fairly educated guess that it will at the very least cause her to get a warning and there is a chance she gets fired.  When I worked there they certainly weren't afraid to fire staff.  Would be surprised if they have got better but I don't honestly know.
19  Community Forums / Betting Tips and Sport Discussion / Re: Dilemna on: December 19, 2014, 05:24:43 PM
hmmm not sure about this

Was it wrong settlement or miscounting?  Wrong settlement you can prob, just say what was the settlement of the bet and then sort it out.

If it was miscounting basically the shop will now be £100 down and I don't know what happens with that - are you sure that giving back the money will actually sort anything?  It might go into someone's pocket.  The girl might get sacked as she will be identified as making the error.

If the money was short - you'd have been shafted.

If I spot something like this as it happens I'll always give it back, but after a bit of time, I don't know.

Maybe give it to charity?

 

She definitely miscounted.  The correct settlement was £1412.50 and she paid me £1512.50.  I watched her count it and didn't pick it up at the time but looking back I can see the mistake she made.
20  Community Forums / Betting Tips and Sport Discussion / Re: Dilemna on: December 19, 2014, 05:11:33 PM
Keep it, tip the staff £50 when your next in.  

Think how many times they have mugged punters off, how likely is it they spot the £100 and sack an individual?  I mean how do you trace it?

Ladbrokes 100% trace it.  Her till will be £100 wrong.  When I worked for Ladbrokes nearly 20 years ago I remember a staff member getting fired for a £100 cash difference....it is obviously worth a bit less now and circumstances might be different etc but she gets a severe bollocking and written warning at best I would think.  Pretty sure I got a written warning for a score difference all those years ago (although I was worlds worst cashier to be fair....too busy watching the racing)
21  Community Forums / Betting Tips and Sport Discussion / Re: Dilemna on: December 19, 2014, 04:58:41 PM
oh and thin brag brah

Obv missed the not entirely for me bit ;-)
22  Community Forums / Betting Tips and Sport Discussion / Re: Darts Betting and discussion on: December 19, 2014, 04:55:59 PM
I quite like Henry as a pundit (thought he was very good during world cup) but £4m is ridiculous
23  Community Forums / Betting Tips and Sport Discussion / Dilemna on: December 19, 2014, 04:46:44 PM
Had a bet today in a Ladbrokes shop (not entirely for myself) which was lucky enough to win and returned £1412.50.  The girl counted out the money and I just put it straight in my pocket.  I stayed in the shop and had another couple of bets and won a small amount which they didn't have the cash to pay me so I said I would return tomorrow.  When I got back to the car and counted the bundles she had given me I realised that she had paid me £100 too much but had obviously not discovered it yet but given how long I had stayed I don't think they would have traced it to me.  Do you take it back?  In terms of mitigating factors etc they are always fair to me in there and it is the only Ladbrokes close to where my parents live, I know from working for Ladbrokes that a £100 cash difference could be a firing offence (but is probably only like a 20% shot), I am not exactly flush at the moment and it isn't an insignificant sum for me but giving it back isn't going to ruin Xmas etc, they try and lay me a bet in there (most Ladbrokes are like that to be fair) and definitely treat me better than 90% of shops I go in, in terms of my dealings with Ladbrokes in my name they don't entertain me at all and actually a few things they have done this year have caused me some significant difficulties. 

I have already made my decision but just interested in what others would do.
24  Community Forums / Betting Tips and Sport Discussion / Re: Darts Betting and discussion on: December 19, 2014, 10:17:27 AM
Darts is, IMO, probably the most difficult sport to commentate on

- People know the first 6-12 darts are aimed at 60, 57 and 54
- People can hear the caller do the arithmetic for them (the louder and longer the better)
- When it comes to a checkout, the series appears in the bottom right, so people can follow that)
- The camera generally focuses on the bit they're aiming at, so, like golf, it's either in or out
- Unlike golf, there are no conditions to tell us about that we can't see
- It's quickly repetitive, so, twenty legs into the night, saying things that are new is tricky
- In the PDC era especially, there is a pressure to fill the silences with hugely enthusiastic noises (if you've ever been to watch the darts - sober - it's really quite boring as you get very little of the above, can't see anything and there's no one telling you what's going on so you end up watching on a telly without the commentary and standing up for the ad break song). It's not like in, say, tennis or snooker, where you can allow the audience to enjoy the sport for a bit. It's bright lights, blaring music, skimpily clad, overly made-up walk-on girls, big, sweaty blokes in massive, flowery shirts and a fancy-dressed audience absolutely off their faces on lager. The commentators have to follow suit.

Sid Waddell was unique, but, as he was in pool, he had a wingman to fill in with the more on-message stuff. I like Mardle, personally, and whilst I'm not a huge fan of the rest particularly, I do have some sympathy for them. I think they're in a difficult position, where the ghost of a great still walks the halls. I'm pleased none of them has tried to fill the gap and that's what Mardle does pretty well: it's a Mardle Korma to the Waddell Phaal, that's designed to taste like a curry but is obviously designed to be different, too.

Out of interest, if you could take any commentator from any sport and train them in the technical aspects of darts, who would you have on sky tonight?


Agree with most of that and we have obviously been spoilt over the years with Waddell who was a unique talent but what irritates me is how often they say stuff that is just wrong.  When Part came back to 2-2 last night Bristow said "John is the favourite now" which, given the other fella was a 1/3 favourite and had the throw was just wrong.  They obviously have access to the prices as another commentator referred to them later in running so it is just laziness.  In at least three of the games last night they banged on about momentum which is just claptrap and on other occasions they are just patronising.  All that said I am easily irritated!!!!

On another note what do they feed the Dutch players in their twenties.  Klaasen must have put on five stone since he  won the BDO and looking at the pics of MVG in hhis early days he is unrecognisable against what he is now.
25  Community Forums / Betting Tips and Sport Discussion / Re: Darts Betting and discussion on: December 19, 2014, 01:45:54 AM
They were all appalling tonight.  So much of what they say is just wrong especially when it comes to stuff like "x is a favourite from here"
26  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: Queen to Abdicate? on: December 19, 2014, 01:41:52 AM
Its interesting.  Fundamentally the hereditary principle is the root of a lot of the unequality in society.  I can totally understand the desire for people to leave things for their children etc but, objectively, I think it is a bad thing.
27  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: Queen to Abdicate? on: December 18, 2014, 11:32:38 PM
I don't really think the cost or benefit the Royal Family bring is the point.

(I don't buy the fqact they attract tourists. The tourists would still come and gawp at Buckingham Palace. Possibly more so when they would the chaance to tramp through all the rooms they are denied entry to currently. "And this the room where Micheal Fagan saat on the queens bed and offered her a fag...")

It's the fact in the 21st Century that people in power/authority are there by birthright, not elected.




Come on Camel.  They don't have any power/authority really.  They are just a performing circus attraction which brings in the tourists.  I'd rather be a normal citizen than Prince Dung.

They have massive power.

For example.

The queen let it be known she would be horrified if Yes won the Scoottish independence vote and all the old biddies who wouldn't have bothered voting got their collective knickers in atwist and rushed to ruin the future of all the under 30s north of the border.

I think it overly complacent to dismiss the power that they have.  Just on a theoretical level the Queen has a power of veto over all legislation.  Monarchists point to the fact that she never uses it but realistically that might just be about the personalities of the monarchs of the last 100 years (and we have had many) and someone with stronger views (like Charles) could easily be more forthright.  Irrespective of that they are consulted on a weekly basis by the PM.  Does anyone really think that the PM just sits there and tells him what he is going to do and she just nods along like a lapdog?  What right does she have to that weekly meeting that any other citizen doesn't have?  Presumably the Director of the British Museum doesn't get a weekly audience with the PM on the basis he brings in 6m visitors a year.....

This is all convention and just wpuld never happen. It's like Ukips argument that theoretically the whole of Europe can move here tomorrow

The weekly meeting isn't convention.  It happens every single week.  We are not privy to what goes on in that meeting or how a PM reacts to what is said.  Now obviously this might all be okay and she might just be a nice old lady that accepts everything the democratically elected say but she might not too and there is no guarantee that her successor will take the same view.  What happens, for example, if the monarch becomes mentally ill?  It is so easy to sit back and say it is alright because for x years we haven't had a problem but that is overly complacent and the kind of thinking that has caused numerous issues in the past.  Fwiw I have no massive issue with them as a ceremonial institution but I think belief in democracy is binary....you either do believe in it or you don't and if you do then there is no place for any constitutional powers for a monarch whether they are just conventions or not.
28  Community Forums / The Lounge / Re: Queen to Abdicate? on: December 18, 2014, 10:51:13 PM
I don't really think the cost or benefit the Royal Family bring is the point.

(I don't buy the fqact they attract tourists. The tourists would still come and gawp at Buckingham Palace. Possibly more so when they would the chaance to tramp through all the rooms they are denied entry to currently. "And this the room where Micheal Fagan saat on the queens bed and offered her a fag...")

It's the fact in the 21st Century that people in power/authority are there by birthright, not elected.




Come on Camel.  They don't have any power/authority really.  They are just a performing circus attraction which brings in the tourists.  I'd rather be a normal citizen than Prince Dung.

They have massive power.

For example.

The queen let it be known she would be horrified if Yes won the Scoottish independence vote and all the old biddies who wouldn't have bothered voting got their collective knickers in atwist and rushed to ruin the future of all the under 30s north of the border.

I think it overly complacent to dismiss the power that they have.  Just on a theoretical level the Queen has a power of veto over all legislation.  Monarchists point to the fact that she never uses it but realistically that might just be about the personalities of the monarchs of the last 100 years (and we have had many) and someone with stronger views (like Charles) could easily be more forthright.  Irrespective of that they are consulted on a weekly basis by the PM.  Does anyone really think that the PM just sits there and tells him what he is going to do and she just nods along like a lapdog?  What right does she have to that weekly meeting that any other citizen doesn't have?  Presumably the Director of the British Museum doesn't get a weekly audience with the PM on the basis he brings in 6m visitors a year.....
29  Community Forums / Betting Tips and Sport Discussion / Re: Tips for Tikay on: December 18, 2014, 05:07:15 PM
Regardless of each way shape.......Saturdays going to be interesting!!!!!!!!

I can't wait to see the face of the manager of my local Corals when he has to lay me a bet !

How long will it last? 3 months? At least turnover figures will be up 
Registry Offices will be working overtime - more husbands needed!

If I can get £5k a time on then I can divorce a few Smiley

How do you actually think it'll work though?

I'm assuming that if you ask for £1,000 @, say, 11/8, they'll offer you £200 at that price. & 11/10 the balance, or something along those lines?

If they are genuinely going to offer "any bet, any sum" in the Shops on those televised races, then they are certainly laying themselves open to a mini-coup.


OK lads, synchronise watches, we'll all strike the same bet in 15 different shops at 9.47am.....


I suspect they just wont be top price about anything......and making it win only means increased risk.  I am not sure I think it is that sensible for them to do but I genuinely hope they get the business they deserve from it.
30  Community Forums / Betting Tips and Sport Discussion / Re: Tips for Tikay on: December 18, 2014, 04:00:12 PM
Regardless of each way shape.......Saturdays going to be interesting!!!!!!!!
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