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Fabulous debate and debating gentlemen.

My take, sans the eloquence.

Andrew is an idiot.

The women knew what was what and didn't seem coerced or forced to me.

The media are undeniably necessary but often despicable.

Force and coercion aren’t always physical.
I mean, we don’t have a lot of information but we do know that Ghislane Maxwell was convicted of procuring girls as young as 14 for Epstein.
I don’t think they knew what they were getting into.

The World is always changing.

The internet gave us all an enormous opportunity to learn and to converse.

Then, sadly, people started yelling and causing stress. So people stopped conversing with everyone except like-minded people. Which is rather sad.

I enjoy discourse with people who disagree with me. Particularly when (as on here) people do so with reasoned arguments. I learn from people with different points of view. As should everybody

"Scuse me love, do you want to go to a millionaire's island and get shagged by a Prince?"

I've heard worse chat up lines.

Fabulous debate and debating gentlemen.

My take, sans the eloquence.

Andrew is an idiot.

The women knew what was what and didn't seem coerced or forced to me.

The media are undeniably necessary but often despicable.

The women that I've seen that is.

Fabulous debate and debating gentlemen.

My take, sans the eloquence.

Andrew is an idiot.

The women knew what was what and didn't seem coerced or forced to me.

The media are undeniably necessary but often despicable.

Up until I joined blonde I had no real use for writing and I couldn't do handwriting. Well I could, but it was very crude and childlike. It still is, just block capitals that slope across the page.
Then, here came internet poker and I had a reason to have a keyboard. Here came blonde and I had a place with people writing about something that interested me and where I could join in. BOOM!

What's more, the letters I formed by pressing the keys were just as neat and legible as everyone else's.
As time went on I became a reasonably fast typist and my spelling improved no end. I still rely on spell-checker, but much less.

I used to write lots on blonde every day, this went on for years and it made me feel... Well I don't know what it made me feel, Normal? Included? Accepted? Whatever it was, I kind of liked it.

Then blonde sort of faded away, overtaken by Facebook, Whatsapp, Twitter... Yada yada.

And that was that. I more or less stopped writing on blonde and that meant I more or less stopped writing altogether. The most writing I do now is a five or ten word message on WhatsApp. I don't even type questions into Google, I just speak to my phone and AI does the rest.

Meh! This is where I should come to an interesting conclusion, but I don't have anything.

As a good friend of mine used to say, "At the end of the day, it goes dark" 

The Royal Family has had a huge problem for Decades in relation to the whole "heir and a spare" thing.

Ever since George VI was promoted (unready) to the top job at the last minute the 2nd in lines have been car crashes. Andrew doesn't look that out of place with Margaret and Harry. Spend years training for a job, then heir has kids, and there is nothing to fall back on.

My wife met Mandelson recently. She has no interest at all in Politics-and didn't have a clue who he was
The Mandelson thing is rather more important than Andrew in various respects. I'll forgive a sad man looking for a shag quicker than selling info on the sly.

For all the fuss about Epstein's Parties-and he did seem to have most of the World's elite at them-fact remains the only people getting heat are Bungalow Andrew, a Gay Man and 2 Women (Fergie and G. Maxwell).

The Billionaires seem strangely missing...

That's the good bit about debate. Because different people see things different ways. In my career, I had the dubious pleasure of advising both for and against many paedophiles. They are not just 1 group of people to be lumped into the same box. Life is more complicated than that.

Was Epstein a paedophile? We will never know. Not least because, while he was charged with various offences involving 14-yr-olds (in 2008), those cases were dropped.

The next point to make is that what constitutes either a "paedo" or a "sex trafficker" varies. Not only from Country to Country, but also from State to State.

The US (unlike the UK) has different rules relating to the legal age of consent, both for the act itself, and again for the age someone can charge for it. And, in some States, what me might term "pimping" has a lot wider definition.

To put that in a context that might resonate with Poker Players, what might meet the legal definitions in, say, Nevada, is 21. So any porn involving people who have not been proved to be over 21 is illegal. And anybody viewing UK porn in, say, Las Vegas is likely to be viewed as, technically, a paedophile.

In this instance, various legal arrangements in Florida became illegal once 17-20 year-olds were flown elsewhere.

The idea that there is something inherently wrong with trading trips to Buck House in return for cash or favours is faintly amusing. It's why we have a Royal Family. Why else do you think that Intellectual pygmy Andrew was a Trade Envoy for years? Why else is Trump (or various mass murderers) invited to Buck House?

Epstein's specialties were 2 fold.

1. Giving specialised financial and tax advice to the mega-rich; and
2. Being a supremely gifted networker. Long before Andrew. And to people infinitely wealthier. Which is, of course why the American Left just shout about Trump and Musk, while the American Right shout about Clinton and Gates.

Whereas, of course, the 1 thing both sides can agree on is finger-pointing at foreigners. And our Press love selling papers with lurid details dressed up as outrage. Always have. Always will.

Having said all that, the Maitliss interview was funny. I suspected Andrew was the man who put "genital" in "congenital idiot". What I didn't know is that there was no-one capable of stopping him making such a public fool out of himself.

I take your points - they are well made and provoked some thinking.
It doesn’t make me change my view of the piss-artist formerly known as…

Inviting The Donald to a State Visit in hopes of a favourable trade deal is a very different thing to arranging for Epstein and Maxwell to enjoy hospitality in hopes of a shag. Apart from anything else the hope seems more likely to be realised in the latter case.

Should we not add a third category to Epstein’s specials board? Or was that just part of his networking prowess?

Glad we agree on the comedy side.

I guess none of us were surprised that Mandelson had his snout in the trough.

That's the good bit about debate. Because different people see things different ways. In my career, I had the dubious pleasure of advising both for and against many paedophiles. They are not just 1 group of people to be lumped into the same box. Life is more complicated than that.

Was Epstein a paedophile? We will never know. Not least because, while he was charged with various offences involving 14-yr-olds (in 2008), those cases were dropped.

The next point to make is that what constitutes either a "paedo" or a "sex trafficker" varies. Not only from Country to Country, but also from State to State.

The US (unlike the UK) has different rules relating to the legal age of consent, both for the act itself, and again for the age someone can charge for it. And, in some States, what me might term "pimping" has a lot wider definition.

To put that in a context that might resonate with Poker Players, what might meet the legal definitions in, say, Nevada, is 21. So any porn involving people who have not been proved to be over 21 is illegal. And anybody viewing UK porn in, say, Las Vegas is likely to be viewed as, technically, a paedophile.

In this instance, various legal arrangements in Florida became illegal once 17-20 year-olds were flown elsewhere.

The idea that there is something inherently wrong with trading trips to Buck House in return for cash or favours is faintly amusing. It's why we have a Royal Family. Why else do you think that Intellectual pygmy Andrew was a Trade Envoy for years? Why else is Trump (or various mass murderers) invited to Buck House?

Epstein's specialties were 2 fold.

1. Giving specialised financial and tax advice to the mega-rich; and
2. Being a supremely gifted networker. Long before Andrew. And to people infinitely wealthier. Which is, of course why the American Left just shout about Trump and Musk, while the American Right shout about Clinton and Gates.

Whereas, of course, the 1 thing both sides can agree on is finger-pointing at foreigners. And our Press love selling papers with lurid details dressed up as outrage. Always have. Always will.

Having said all that, the Maitliss interview was funny. I suspected Andrew was the man who put "genital" in "congenital idiot". What I didn't know is that there was no-one capable of stopping him making such a public fool out of himself.

The 26yo's claim is obviously idiotic. The idea is probably to stimulate a denial (as windsor is too stupid to kep his mouth shut) and then instigate libel proceedings.