Concerned about passivity

[TightEnd]

(6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em -
Seat 1: Natrykris ($331.20)
Seat 2: Malmbilen ($394)
Seat 3: riverluck24 ($512.75)
Seat 4: acesupurass ($277.60)
Seat 5: JGbigblue ($435.80)
Seat 6: LOVEWORLD ($124.45)
acesupurass posts the small blind of $2
JGbigblue posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Natrykris [ ]
LOVEWORLD folds
Natrykris raises to $14
Malmbilen folds
riverluck24 calls $14
acesupurass raises to $52
JGbigblue folds
Natrykris calls $38
riverluck24 folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
acesupurass checks
Natrykris checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
acesupurass bets $52
Natrykris folds
Uncalled bet of $52 returned to acesupurass
acesupurass mucks
acesupurass wins the pot ($119)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $122 | Rake $3
Board: [ ]
Seat 1: Natrykris folded on the Turn
Seat 2: Malmbilen didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: riverluck24 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: acesupurass (small blind) collected ($119), mucked
Seat 5: JGbigblue (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: LOVEWORLD didn't bet (folded)


a) acesup who reraises in the small blind is loose pre flop but less aggressive post flop. More ABC.

b) I flat call the reraise pre flop, not wanting to overly commit with QQ despite my foe's range being wider than many in that spot to my mind

c) He is known by me to check raise strong hands, hence I don't C-bet with and A and K on the board.

d) I give up on the turn, two overcards out, just a remote prospect of a gutshot J on the river.


Is my play too passive pre or post flop (at any point) or am I just showing discipline here?

In what ways can I read/feel these type of situations to play them more optimally?

[byronkincaid]

with your read i think you should 4 bet this pre flop

[boldie]

with your read i think you should 4 bet this pre flop

with your read I might have reraised him on the flop but if you're uncomfortable with that 9which is fair enough) you played it fine...there's not much for you on the board.

[doubleup]

As long as your image isn't very loose, the reraiser should have a genuine hand.  If you have been raising a lot though it might be a squeeze without very much.  

This isn't a good spot, folding might not be bad.  Is he going to c-bet with AK?  That's about the only argument that can be made for calling.  Going allin looks a bit suicidal - I don't think he calls with TT - is his range wide enough for you to make enough from his folds to cover your losses when he calls?  He's got to be reraising with a huge range for this to be correct.

Interesting situation.

[boldie]

As long as your image isn't very loose, the reraiser should have a genuine hand.  If you have been raising a lot though it might be a squeeze without very much.  

This isn't a good spot, folding might not be bad.  Is he going to c-bet with AK?  That's about the only argument that can be made for calling.  Going allin looks a bit suicidal - I don't think he calls with TT - is his range wide enough for you to make enough from his folds to cover your losses when he calls?  He's got to be reraising with a huge range for this to be correct.

Interesting situation.

I agree...on the board you simply have to fold to a bet...it 's a very bad board for QQ

[GlasgowBandit]

I think I re-raise pre flop here. 

Thats a very messy flop for QQ and at that point I feel like greeting like a big baby!

[doubleup]

As long as your image isn't very loose, the reraiser should have a genuine hand.  If you have been raising a lot though it might be a squeeze without very much.  

This isn't a good spot, folding might not be bad.  Is he going to c-bet with AK?  That's about the only argument that can be made for calling.  Going allin looks a bit suicidal - I don't think he calls with TT - is his range wide enough for you to make enough from his folds to cover your losses when he calls?  He's got to be reraising with a huge range for this to be correct.

Interesting situation.

I agree...on the board you simply have to fold to a bet...it 's a very bad board for QQ

I was actually considering whether folding pre-flop was that bad.  Calling can only be profitable if we stack off TT/JJ post-flop and he c-bets with AK.  He gets our stack on a 7 high flop with AA/KK.

[byronkincaid]

what chance this is a squeeze play? quite high imo. folding QQ here is not good.

[totalise]

i like the way this hand is played. Putting in the next raise preflop lets him chuck away his bad hands and ship the stack in with AA/KK and sometimes AK. You dont get much out of raising QQ here if he is a good laggy player, you dont get much action from worse hands

Obviously the downside is that you dont protect your hand against AK or other filthy aces, but given the broad nature of the villains range, you weigh up the pros and cons and calling preflop is the best move imo

On the flop, well its a bad one, but tighty says he is quite straight forward, so would he bet a set/2 pr here? prolly, but its not certain. I dont think calling the turn and folding to a river bet is a bad idea, this works especially well if tightend has a reasonably tight image, they are almost never gonna bet the river unless they have you beat, and you are going to be ahead a reasonable percentage of the time here, so calling turn/folding river is ok. Folding is ok as well, raising is suicide.

[tikay]

i like the way this hand is played. Putting in the next raise preflop lets him chuck away his bad hands and ship the stack in with AA/KK and sometimes AK. You dont get much out of raising QQ here if he is a good laggy player, you dont get much action from worse hands

Obviously the downside is that you dont protect your hand against AK or other filthy aces, but given the broad nature of the villains range, you weigh up the pros and cons and calling preflop is the best move imo

On the flop, well its a bad one, but tighty says he is quite straight forward, so would he bet a set/2 pr here? prolly, but its not certain. I dont think calling the turn and folding to a river bet is a bad idea, this works especially well if tightend has a reasonably tight image, they are almost never gonna bet the river unless they have you beat, and you are going to be ahead a reasonable percentage of the time here, so calling turn/folding river is ok. Folding is ok as well, raising is suicide.

May I say, Mr Totalise Sir, how well you read & articulate these situations.

[doubleup]

what chance this is a squeeze play? quite high imo. folding QQ here is not good.

That's why I asked about Tighty's table image - if it is fairly errr tight I think the chance of the squeeze go down a lot.

[TightEnd]

Unsurprisingly my image was not exactly loose!

I had to weigh up the fact that he was capable of squeezing but he would do it on others before me. If I 4 bet pre flop I more or less commit myself if he then ships it with AA/KK/AK and he folds any hand I am definitely beating so the risk is asymmetrically biased. 

My aim was to keep it under control pre flop and then the flop killed me...however with hindsight I might have called on the turn and hoped for check check on the river if he was testing it out with JJ for example


Thanks for the replies guys.