cash,mtt,stt question

[WYSINWYG]

i reckon it would be
1st cash
2nd stt
3rd mtt

but thats just a guess

Probably this, imo.
Also imo, mtts are more prone to luck than STTs, thus reducing the edge of a good player. Bubble play much less of a factor than people assume, in STTs.

There are factors other than skill that differentiate players and affect their choice of game. I would guess that players with a ton of patience would be better in an STT than a cash game.

[Graham C]

Poker Player Magazine had it in the cash, stt then mtt order.

[Boba Fett]

ok this has more holes in it than jerry's cheese triangle, but humour me please.

ok you have 3 poker players, each is of an equal standard, though each plays cash, mtts and stts respectivly

so they all play there games for exactly 6 hours per day on average for a full year, each playing up to a maximum of 4 tables, assume they are playing to a maximum all the time

they all start with $10k , and start with $10k (or less if they are losing) each day

they play the same stakes all year in their chosen field

they all adhere to perfect bankroll management

who has the best $/h?

The cash game player, because having to stop playing after exactly 6 hours can be quite detrimental if you are halfway through a tournament or sng at the time.

Its 6 hours per day on average througout the year so they dont specifically have to stop after 6 hours on any given day

[Boba Fett]

Also imo, mtts are more prone to luck than STTs, thus reducing the edge of a good player. Bubble play much less of a factor than people assume, in STTs.

There are factors other than skill that differentiate players and affect their choice of game. I would guess that players with a ton of patience would be better in an STT than a cash game.

I disagree, in Stt's you will be flipping a lot more often than you would in an MTT

[WYSINWYG]

Also imo, mtts are more prone to luck than STTs, thus reducing the edge of a good player. Bubble play much less of a factor than people assume, in STTs.

There are factors other than skill that differentiate players and affect their choice of game. I would guess that players with a ton of patience would be better in an STT than a cash game.

I disagree, in Stt's you will be flipping a lot more often than you would in an MTT

Do you have to flip?
If you imagine an extreme type of game, where you have very deep stacks effectively with shallow blind ramps with the field size taken into account. Add to these a smattering of pretty poor players and really if you are better than them you shouldn't be taking the flips when you spot them. And there will be plenty of them: you raise with AK, fish shoves with 66 on level 1. Well, there are plenty of games on the net approaching this extreme.
The difference imo between stt and mtt is in the ratio of (size of effective stack and blind ramp factor) to field size. You very often find yourself having to flip in MTTs, to take a stab at decent money. Even if you want to come first in STTs, you don't have to keep making these flips. Most of the time you can yawn your way into the money and mug the fish post-bubble, but this fact largely lost on most of them, keen as they are to get it all in with a 3 percent edge. Aggression right? **** aggression. Go for a bath and come back at level 4

[Boba Fett]

You dont HAVE to flip but the quick nature of stt's means that you will be playing the endgame more often than an MTT player and it gets to the stage where shoving and calling ranges are widened which leads to higher variance. STT players will get to this stage a lot more often than MTT'ers

[thetank]

Cash then MTT then STT

Unless the poker clones are pisch. Then they will lose money at Cash and MTT but might still pwn STTs.

[WYSINWYG]

You dont HAVE to flip but the quick nature of stt's means that you will be playing the endgame more often than an MTT player and it gets to the stage where shoving and calling ranges are widened which leads to higher variance. STT players will get to this stage a lot more often than MTT'ers

I think the term 'quick' is relative. Sure STTs can be over in about 50 minutes (6 seater). But this would only really matter if you're sitting there after 45 minutes, having played perfect poker, finding 5 rocks left and most people with 8 big blinds. If this happens often you're maybe on a sh!tty site like Partly Poker, but I find that situation happens very rarely. On the rare occasion that 4 of you are getting anywhere near dangerous blind levels, people start pooing their nappies and the bubble takes care of itself. Thus even though the game is over quickly, the obstacles between you and the money are actually quite easy to overcome. I guess this is because so many of them have a shove mentality rather than a real appreciation of keeping their nerve. You only have fold equity against people who can press the fold button
Most of the time the players are so bad anyway that if you are playing a long time you have a decent stack by the time you get there anyway.
Compare this with MTTs, they can be long and drawn out, and even though you may see less 'end games' in a week of playing, to get to the money you almost always have to wade through an 'end game' whereas in an STT you don't. You may start with a bigger stack and slower blinds, but shit, you have to cut through 400 other punters who are trying for 10 places, not 6 players who are trying for 2!
STTs still easiest money on the net. You win in cash games by playing good poker. You win in STTs by playing good poker and just ****ing waiting. 2 ways to win, FTW.