live hand in biggish buyin

[noble1]

With KK in this spot TBH with the stage we are at,the arguments for calling or shoving both have merit.

If utg has ANY common what so ever he would see the smooth call as a danger sign and fold most hands imo if it is truly a big buy in scenario,if he did call after we flatted the all in villian we could virtually eliminate him having AA the only hand at this time we are worried about him having,and we could happily ship in our stack on a non ace flop and gain an extra 10000 chips for a daft call.

Is this a line worth risking?

[bolt pp]

this is boba fetts hand from last night, he did shove , utg folded aq -shorty had 33 , board came ak8 and he goes into day with 63k when ave is 70k insteak of having 100k+

lol, everyone should just change whatever decent poker strategy they have to suit the best outcome for you and your mates after all 5 cards have come out then?

[Ironside]

this is boba fetts hand from last night, he did shove , utg folded aq -shorty had 33 , board came ak8 and he goes into day with 63k when ave is 70k insteak of having 100k+

thats one of the very few flops he will get the full amount by not reraising pre even then the guy could fold TPTK when you lead out into a dry sidepot

[AlexMartin]

this is boba fetts hand from last night, he did shove , utg folded aq -shorty had 33 , board came ak8 and he goes into day with 63k when ave is 70k insteak of having 100k+

thats one of the very few flops he will get the full amount by not reraising pre even then the guy could fold TPTK when you lead out into a dry sidepot

i doubt i lead out tbh.

[MANTIS01]

The UTG opener has got like half the average stack himself and it's the last hand of the night and he's just opened for more than 10% of his stack. The guy doesn't need to be an idiot to call, he just needs to say feck it let's try and spin up a stack for day 2, and people do that in every live tournament. Easy to do after 10 hours of poker when the pot is massive. Easier than stacking when you miss anyway.

[kinboshi]

The UTG opener has got like half the average stack himself and it's the last hand of the night and he's just opened for more than 10% of his stack. The guy doesn't need to be an idiot to call, he just needs to say feck it let's try and spin up a stack for day 2, and people do that in every live tournament. Easy to do after 10 hours of poker when the pot is massive. Easier than stacking when you miss anyway.

Makes more sense on this thread.

[GlasgowBandit]

Not shoving here is a cardinal sin IMO.  If Paul flats the raise and the flop comes A high and he goes tumbling out then all we'd here is how shit his life is.

[Boba Fett]

I had played with the UTG raiser a lot in smaller buy in events in the local casino so have some info on him.  He is a nit, always takes the cautious path and generally seems quite intelligent.  I also havent seen him ever playing a bigger buy in event than the standard weekly tourneys so the assumption is he is playing bigger than normal.

The reason i reshoved is, Im pretty sure that if I flat the 15k shove and have 25-30k behind, he is smart enough to know that if he calls the 10k he is committing himself to call the other 30k I have behind.  His UTG range is extremely tight so Im pretty sure that he is never overcalling the 10k more or reshoving on me without a hand he would call my reshove for.

Also, someone else mentioned it, flat calling here makes it obvious I have a monster, I think reshoving widens my range slightly.  The last level of the day i dropped from 70k to 45k by raising 3 or 4 hands only to get shoved on by AK/AA/KK and JJ so I looked (and probably was) tilted.

If I do flat call and the flop comes ace high then Im hating life, Ive put in a 3rd of my stack and need to check/fold.  Turns out Id have got the dream flop as UTG later told me he had AQ and was glad he passed but whatever, I had a below average stack but I was still fairly deep relative to the blinds.