KK - how much to bet here -

[chrisbruce]

Villan has been playing super tight.

I have just had a card rush and started raising a lot esp from positon



***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 549341871 *****
NL $2.50/$5 Texas Hold'em - Thursday, July 16, 13:20:38 GMT 2009
Table Nitrogen 35 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: Kobussen ( $500 )
Seat 2: Nutkins2 ( $203 )
Seat 3: space man ( $1,853.96 )
Seat 4: Hitandrun ( $1,017.04 )
Seat 5: The Math ( $1,049.24 )
Seat 6: Slep ( $500 )
The Math posts small blind [$2.50]
Slep posts big blind [$5]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hitandrun [ , ]
Kobussen folds
Nutkins2 folds
space man folds
Hitandrun raises to [$17.50]
The Math raises to [$64]
Slep folds
Hitandrun raises to [$197]
The Math calls [$133]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
The Math checks

[Graham C]

I'm normally reluctant to reply at these levels given that I generally play for the price of a big blind, however...

Super tight, so we can rule out 98 hopefully.  In my mind, calling the 4 bet leaves AA, KK too, QQ, JJ, TT (at a push) and AK.    I'd normally lead out, get check raised, call and weep to be shown a set or AA.

I'd lead out for $295-325 and see what happens.

[chrisbruce]

I know what you mean Silo

One of my problems here was that I was playing to large a stack for me to be comfortable.

Normally I will quit a table if I get to 1k plus and start another, especially if there are other big stacks around.


Ok so I lead for full pot $400 and I get shuved on .............is there any way I can now pass? ($400 behind into a $1600 pot)

If I had bet less than full pot say $275 could I pass here ? would I want to?

[GreekStein]

I know what you mean Silo

One of my problems here was that I was playing to large a stack for me to be comfortable.

Normally I will quit a table if I get to 1k plus and start another, especially if there are other big stacks around.


Ok so I lead for full pot $400 and I get shuved on .............is there any way I can now pass? ($400 behind into a $1600 pot)

If I had bet less than full pot say $275 could I pass here ? would I want to?

Why did you lead for full pot? Do you normally do this?

[chrisbruce]

As I said I was playing outside my comfort zone and it was pretty much a go away bet!!!!!

2/3 pot would prob be my norm here.

bet even then am I ever passing?

[Graham C]

Not that it's relevant now, but is checking behind against such a tight player viable?

From his point of view, you 4 bet and are quite active, you could be doing this with a wide range - you can't have hands all the time right!   Perhaps he sees you on AK or has QQ, perhaps AK himself and thinks you've missed.

I'd call, then puke.  Even when I have the nuts on the flop and I get c/r all in I'm nervous though!

[GreekStein]

As I said I was playing outside my comfort zone and it was pretty much a go away bet!!!!!

2/3 pot would prob be my norm here.

bet even then am I ever passing?

Nah in a 4-bet pot your gonna have to stack off here.

[AlexMartin]

Exceedingly tough spot. Although The Math is a retard. Im really not happy about stacking off here despite it being a 4b pot. I really dont think hes peeling 4bets light even deep given hes pretty bad TAG.

[George2Loose]

Isn't it quite standard for the villian to flat the 4 bet with AA?

I don't think your beating much here tbh. Anyone check this flop for pot control? I know we may potentially be losing value but I can't see much giving us action on this board that doesn't have us beat already apart from maybe QQ

[chrisbruce]

I really did not like how I played this hand, but at the same time I am not sure what the correct play should have been?

Anyway I call and the villan tables   

2 blanks

and happy days.......... 

[GreekStein]

The Math - will look out for him.

[Royal Flush]

4 betting then scratching your head on JT7 is probably not a good idea, chess players think 30 moves ahead, you just need to think 2....