Stars $250k ITM squeeze spot

[NigDawG]

the opener hasn't really done much since i've been at the table winning a couple pots preflop with no resistance (he had a big stack when i joined) but the flattor is a bit of a baguette who snap peeled the open. the bb is also very tight.

we've not long broken the bubble and i've 3bet 4 times iirc on this table in the space of maybe 40 hands, all of which came b4 the bubble burst...

the first time i 3bet the button vs 30bb mid pos stack and he folded. the second time i 3bet the hijack vs the baguette flattor from this hand when he opened mid pos, he peeled 30bb eff and c/r over half his stack on AT7hh causing me to fold. the third time i 3bet the cutoff vs a mid position bigstack open and got all in with TT. the 4th time i 3bet the button 40bb eff vs the same flattor from this hand again and he insta folded.

PokerStars Game #50723377699: Tournament #334011043, $300+$20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 2010/10/07 6:19:02 WET [2010/10/07 1:19:02 ET]
Table '334011043 78' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: highlite11 (42552 in chips)
Seat 2: Catenaccio (45072 in chips)
Seat 3: Batmanian (19932 in chips)
Seat 4: NigDawG (45213 in chips)
Seat 5: cartapapelao (41767 in chips)
Seat 7: 12boc (12648 in chips)
Seat 8: locoo20 (51499 in chips)
Seat 9: Le_Liz@Rd (17643 in chips)
highlite11: posts the ante 100
Catenaccio: posts the ante 100
Batmanian: posts the ante 100
NigDawG: posts the ante 100
cartapapelao: posts the ante 100
12boc: posts the ante 100
locoo20: posts the ante 100
Le_Liz@Rd: posts the ante 100
NigDawG: posts small blind 500
cartapapelao: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NigDawG [ ]
12boc: folds
locoo20: raises 1150 to 2150
Le_Liz@Rd: folds
highlite11: folds
Catenaccio: calls 2150
Batmanian: folds
NigDawG: raises 4030 to 6180
cartapapelao: folds
locoo20: calls 4030
Catenaccio: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
NigDawG: ??

thought it was a decent squeeze spot pre. i mean stacks are pretty good for the opener to open, and we are just about deep enough to make it awkward for him to 4bet shove on us. the flattor will never have a strong hand and my image isn't too crazy so it should still look fairly strong from the sb + i have decent blockers + green cards. the opener tanked for 25 seconds b4 flatting the 3bet.

i wasn't expecting to get peeled, especially not by the first guy, but my hand is normally quite easy to play postflop. like most flops i can usually either bet/fold or bet/call accordingly but this is one of the unique flops where i'm not sure if i have enough equity to bet/call. it also feels like i have too much equity to just check/fold in a 3 bet pot

[action man]

he's expecting all of your value range to bet the flop so bet. In these specific instances you can kinda bet without a plan, see what his timing is like if he calls you can decide to lead turns or c/f if he raises depending on size/time etc you can 3bet or fold or call check/jam turn maybe if club, queen, king peels.

[George2Loose]

Yeh u pretty much have to bet or just give up. I check/fold or bet/re evaluate on turn (if he peels) but it is a shitty spot. Is villian capable of floating here? Or jamming light?

[the rage]

I'm not folding here!
I'm going for a check-raise all-in.
I think the stack sizes are very awkward for most other options except check folding.
I think the board is a very good one for check-raising all in with. Unless he has something like the nut flush draw or a decent made hand, maybe QQ+, i think he will have difficulty calling your all-in. You will still have decent equity against most of his range if he does call. Obviously, if he calls with something like As , you will be in trouble, but, with the combination of fold equity and showdown equity, i think that a check-raise all-in is a gamble worth taking here.
What do you reckon? am i talking rubbish again?

[railtard1]

hm, i dont think he is folding too much to ur cbet. Prob c/r all in (as said above ur not going to have terrible equity vs MOST hands).  Bet small with a view to 3betting all in is bad as he never raise folding the flop IMO.
I dont squeeze pre OOP here fwiw.

p.s i saw villain shipped the comp, so im not sure the result of this is good for u :-(

[George2Loose]

Im really not sure what we rep c/raising all in in this spot. I mean are we really c/raising an OP on such a wet board??

[railtard1]

Im really not sure what we rep c/raising all in in this spot. I mean are we really c/raising an OP on such a wet board??

repping the top of our range i guess.
But yeh i agree to a certain extent. U bet fold then? I just really doubt that villain is folding this flop often!

[Whollyflush]

hmm, think ive played cash wit locoo20 and hes competent. I doubt he ever folds to a c/bet and given ure agressive image he may very well raise get it in with 88/99 OTF or any FD. That said you have a ridiculous amount of backdoor outs, so i would c/bet nd give up to a raise but plan on barrelling turn/river that we pick up equity or improve our range (Q/K type hands) but fade his calling range OTF (doubt he floats KQ with only 50bb's).

[Whollyflush]

Im really not sure what we rep c/raising all in in this spot. I mean are we really c/raising an OP on such a wet board??

Yep C/R is horrible, you mite just get away with it vs a weak/bad player, but this guy will play prfectly against it and its pure spew.

[George2Loose]

Im really not sure what we rep c/raising all in in this spot. I mean are we really c/raising an OP on such a wet board??

repping the top of our range i guess.
But yeh i agree to a certain extent. U bet fold then? I just really doubt that villain is folding this flop often!

tbh unless I have it I tend to give up on this flop and hope it goes check/check.

I would also flat pre