Call or fold?

[maldini32]

$33 mtt, guy is new to the table.

Level III (25/50) - 2009/07/14 4:44:50 WET [2009/07/13 23:44:50 ET]
Table '178349149 16' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: vick74 (1111 in chips)
Seat 2: gnegnes (4160 in chips)
Seat 4: mikedavis111 (7125 in chips)
Seat 5: JJ48AK (4505 in chips)
Seat 6: maldini32 (5420 in chips)
Seat 7: Derby Status (3905 in chips)
Seat 8: stanman420 (2825 in chips)
Seat 9: Youngster21 (5156 in chips)
gnegnes: posts small blind 25
mikedavis111: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to maldini32 [ ]
JJ48AK: folds
maldini32: raises 100 to 150
Derby Status: folds
stanman420: folds
Youngster21: calls 150
vick74: folds
gnegnes: calls 125
mikedavis111: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [ ]
gnegnes: checks
troyman99 is connected
mikedavis111 is disconnected
mikedavis111 is connected
mikedavis111: checks
maldini32: bets 370
Youngster21: folds
gnegnes: folds
mikedavis111: calls 370
*** TURN *** [ ] []
mikedavis111: checks
maldini32: checks
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
mikedavis111: bets 6605 and is all-in
maldini32: ?  ?   ?

[boldie]

blah, hate this spot.

I fold.

[StuartHopkin]

Get away! Snap him off.

[GreekStein]

bet the turn and then easier decision on river

[outragous76]

i would say fold but in a $33 im not too sure

i would say 80% of the time i fold here - but you are beating the missed flush draw.

that said i dont think he has the 8 because he MUST bet that turn card which is super scary.

............... he could have xh ? maybe Ah6h?

puke - just too many hands got there and only the d's missed - i think without knowing the opponent i fold

(sorry for thinking out loud)

[AlexMartin]

Ugh, this hand so complicated coz its 4way to flop, which means ur rarely cbetting light so he knows ur checking back turn for PC.............arghhhh

no fkit, i think wp and fold the river. Random online tournament donks dont overbet bluff the river after taking this line as a rule imo.

[LuckyLloyd]

Just fold quickly. Even if you called this time and were good it doesn't mean that regularly calling here in this type of spot is profitable.

[NoflopsHomer]

Timebank longer on the flop and turn and hope he gets disconnected again.

[marcin123]

bet the turn and then easier decision on river

+1

[maldini32]

bet the turn and then easier decision on river

Checked the turn for pot control

[KarmaDope]

Horrible spot. I think I fold, reluctantly.

[GreekStein]

bet the turn and then easier decision on river

Checked the turn for pot control

Why?

[maldini32]

bet the turn and then easier decision on river

Checked the turn for pot control

Why?

Keep the pot small in case he has a 8, or call his river bet if he's missed his flush draw. But him smashing the river put that plan to bed. If he bet upto a pot size bet id probably snap him off but a massive overshove is the reason this hand is on the hand analysis board, you feel me?

[GreekStein]

bet the turn and then easier decision on river

Checked the turn for pot control

Why?

Keep the pot small in case he has a 8, or call his river bet if he's missed his flush draw. But him smashing the river put that plan to bed. If he bet upto a pot size bet id probably snap him off but a massive overshove is the reason this hand is on the hand analysis board, you feel me?

I think a much better way of playing it is to bet the turn. We'll find out here if he has an 8 or not because with flush and straight draws on the board, he's likely to raise you with an 8 here (unless he's boated up).

More often than not he's gonna flat your turn bet and check to you on the river, where if you're scared you can check back.

You gain more value from when he has a draw and can control the size the pot will become better by betting here imo. You'll also have a better idea where he's at too.

[maldini32]

bet the turn and then easier decision on river

Checked the turn for pot control

Why?

Keep the pot small in case he has a 8, or call his river bet if he's missed his flush draw. But him smashing the river put that plan to bed. If he bet upto a pot size bet id probably snap him off but a massive overshove is the reason this hand is on the hand analysis board, you feel me?

I think a much better way of playing it is to bet the turn. We'll find out here if he has an 8 or not because with flush and straight draws on the board, he's likely to raise you with an 8 here (unless he's boated up).

More often than not he's gonna flat your turn bet and check to you on the river, where if you're scared you can check back.

You gain more value from when he has a draw and can control the size the pot will become better by betting here imo. You'll also have a better idea where he's at too.

So if we bet turn and he flats, then he shoves river were still in the same quandry. FWIW i ended up passing, cos it felt very much like at least an 8.

I thought it was interesting/tricky spot. Like i said id usually call the river (bluff catcher/oop float etc).

Thanks for input ppl.